I personally just delete as I see 'em.

hello,
please delete the artist sayori, she is a chinese who lives in japan
her site admits 日本在住の外国人 and she writes in twitter about visiting relatives in china

thank you for opposing zainichi

Before I took the time to read through this entire thread, I thought that artists from other Asian countries were still allowed, and the terms were just out of date.

Oh man. : |

I suppose this means that (hmm) and (hmmm) are going to be deleted too.

Even if you can find them on other sites, for many of these artists I never would have heard of them if I hadn't found them here.

If you asked me, the sweet spot is somewhere between Xbooru and Gelbooru's current policy.
It sucks to see a good site injure itself.

One more vote in the non-democracy for doing things a bit differently.

The usual argument given in this thread is, "If we allowed non-Japanese artists it would require a judgement call, and we want an objective rule." People say, "You'll allow crap from Japanese artists," and the answer is, "No, because we have a quality rule."

It could just as well be,
- Art in any style from Japanese artists
- Cosplay pictures
- AZN nudes lol
- Anime themed art from non-Japanese artists (judgement call required but no more than the quality rule)
- No Avatar or Ben whatever

I hate to jump into a fight with so little merit, especially as someone who is more of a lurker to Gelbooru, but it seems to keep going out of control on both sides of the fight every so often, so:

1. Even if nobody on the moderation/administration side is open to the idea of a rule change, it would probably make the rejection much simpler if you at least would acknowledge understanding of why members are upset. Yes, it would be difficult or impossible to discern objectively an image's belonging on Gelbooru without the Japanese-only artists rule. However, that doesn't mean there is simply no merit to the argument. I'm pretty sure that was acknowledged at least once ITT, but for good measure, it should be made clear.

2. On the flip-side, fellow members should also admit that it's not a black-and-white issue, and that the main issue here is as previously stated; it's a Japanese-themed site. If you wanted to allow non-Japanese artists, you'd have to determine what qualifies as Japanese-themed another way, and that may be a waste of resources. Furthermore, it's hard to justify allowing non-Japanese artists when there are actually very few real exceptions worth making. For the most part, even good western cartoon artists aren't doing Japanese-themed art, or at least not convincingly.

3. Even if the rule is enforced lightly, sometimes I wonder if it's not a little petty to delete simply over the issue of race. I hate to echo the same thing said at least a million times in the past, but it's almost painful: Is it really necessary to delete an artist's work entirely simply because s/he was pointed out to not be Japanese? Surely it'd be better if you only enforced the rule when morons started to argue stupid things like "Avatar is anime!" or posted horrible deviantART pictures. I mean, after all, people are already going to be bitching violently about x image not being deleted when y have the same violation. That can't be helped.

I'm probably rambling unnecessarily here out of sheer fascination of the issue, since it is definitely an interesting case, at least to me. However, I have no stakes in either side of the issue, and I'm just pointing out some observations I made when reading the points discussed.

It's primarily an anime-themed site.
There are lots of Japanese artists where it would not be appropriate to post their entire galleries here because they do something different.

Random example:
www.hiroshimatsumoto.com/2011paintings/mar2011.htm

People are arguing that they can't make a distinction on those grounds, when they do it all the time anyway.

The trick is to allow enough diversity that things don't get monotonous, without going wholly off-topic. People were doing a good job of that already.

other zainichi that needs to be deleted

h2so4
korean, see that his website has korean version

kim_kwang_hyun
obviously korean name

hyung_tae_kim
obviously korean name

s_zenith_lee
taiwanese? see his website

Since these cats are in part or entirely on here because of me I felt the need to clean up my mess. However I didn't feel like flagging several hundred posts, I mean just rooting out all these gaijin was a chore, so I figured I'd throw these up here. Not to mention I assume I don't have the cachet to do such a thing.

tima - Korean tima.egloos.com/
meago - Polish meago.deviantart.com/
phong_anh - Vietnamese claparo.blogspot.com/
tmt - Korean yooani.deviantart.com
akashirokai - Canadian aka-shiro.deviantart.com/
lokman_lam - Chinese www.lokmanlam.com/about.html
prodigy_bombay/prodigybombay - American www.animenewsnetwork.com/the-gallery/2008-12-20
paolo_antonio_aguasin - Filipino comipa.deviantart.com/
wickedalucard/ian_olympia - Filipino wickedalucard.deviantart.com/
yaichino - German yaichino.deviantart.com/
hector_enrique_sevilla_lujan/elesvilla - Mexican elsevilla.deviantart.com/
sayo_tanku - Chinese www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=787770
joel_jurion - French joel27.deviantart.com/
warren_louw - South African www.facebook.com/ArtofWarrenLouw?sk=info
darax - French darax.deviantart.com/
mariyumi - Russian mariyumi.deviantart.com/
lithriel - American lithriel.deviantart.com/
amatiz -Taiwanese amatizking.deviantart.com/
reza_kabir - His name suggests South Asian I believe, probably Indian or Bangladeshi google123.deviantart.com/
ippus - Korean ippus.deviantart.com/
yangqi - Chinese yangqi.deviantart.com/
merkymerx - Filipino merkymerx.deviantart.com/
patipat_asavasena/asuka111 - Thai asuka111.net/profile.html
joaqhyn-aria - American joaqhyn-aria.deviantart.com/
idnar - American idnar.deviantart.com/
myhilary - Thai myhilary.deviantart.com/

And just to cause a little trouble:
A curious statement considering non-Japanese artists are more than welcome on Danbooru.

Man, some of those artists are really good too. I really wouldn't mind keeping a few of those.

As for your cachet comment, we don't seem to really care about that very much around here.

Yeah, I only upload the good stuff [/full of self].


I was just thinking someone comes out of nowhere and flags, I didn't get a good count, but let's say 600 posts. That would seem suspicious to me. I suppose that'd be more of a matter of presence though.

You've got a point there. Providing proof of the artists location in the flag request would go a long way though.

And I've been up too long, and deleting a few hundred images individually is a bit much for me, so I'll go through a few of them and maybe knock some down later.

From the few I grazed through though, I'm really not gonna enjoy it. Some of those artists show what I consider to be the downfall of the Non-Japanese rule.