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Jerl - Group: The Real Administrator - Total Posts: 6721
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Posted on: 08/23/12 02:03PM

"flat_chest" IS part of the breast size ladder, so in order for it to apply on an image, there must be breasts there, even if they do not protrude at all.

I suddenly realized that it might be a good idea to go through and make sure all the rungs are properly implicated. I don't know how long it's been, so there might be a few posts that ended up with large_breasts but no breasts for example.



Anti_Gendou - Group: Moderator - Total Posts: 4375
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Posted on: 08/23/12 03:20PM

Actually... almost every single image I've seen that used a size_breasts tag... never actually had breasts tag. I've had to add it about 90% of the time.



lkjh098 - Group: Member - Total Posts: 136
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Posted on: 08/23/12 08:49PM

According to the wiki for "breasts", gelbooru.com/index.php?page=wiki&s=view&id=199 , flat_chest and breasts shouldn't be used together:

For Gelbooru purposes, this tag refers to images where the breasts are noticeable. You should not use this tag to describe a flat-chested girl.


The wiki for five_size_ladder, gelbooru.com/index.php?page=wiki&s=view&id=1973 , is even more explicit:

(There is also the null case, flat_chest. This is unusual in several ways, not only because it's a size tag for something that is absent, but flat_chest cannot be dual-tagged with breasts (as the other breast size tags must be) because there are, in fact, no breasts there.)


Also see the wiki for "flat_chest", gelbooru.com/index.php?page=wiki&s=view&id=29

This tag is to be used when there is absolutely no, or very minimal evidence of breast development. Otherwise, use small_breasts A secondary, more ambiguous test is if there is anything you could point to, and say, "That's a breast," in which case you would use one of the size_breasts tags.


I think that in general flat_chest is overtagged, and most things tagged flat_chest+breasts should be tagged small_breasts.



jedi1357 - Group: Moderator - Total Posts: 5790
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Posted on: 08/23/12 09:01PM

Don't forget that it would only apply to solo and 1girl. If there are 2+girls in the post then you can have both the flat_chest and breasts tags together.



Jerl - Group: The Real Administrator - Total Posts: 6721
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Posted on: 08/23/12 09:08PM

lkjh098 said:
I think that in general flat_chest is overtagged, and most things tagged flat_chest+breasts should be tagged small_breasts.


This is because Danbooru doesn't have a small_breasts tag, and lumps that in with flat_chest. We in turn get all of the images that come in from Danbooru which would be tagged small_breasts here, but which aren't because of their tagging policy.

In any case, I do see your point. I do feel that, due to Danbooru's size ladder being vastly larger than ours, we should probably reform these tags at some point in the future. The small_breasts tag returns about 5,100 posts in the API, which is only slightly more than the results I was getting for huge_breasts -breasts when I threw that into the mass tagger to fix it. Obviously small_breasts aren't an uncommon thing, so that means that a substantial number of posts aren't properly tagged with it. At this point, it seems to me at least that it would be easier just to change our size ladder over to match Danbooru's.



lkjh098 - Group: Member - Total Posts: 136
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Posted on: 08/23/12 09:19PM

The Danbooru ladder, for comparison:

flat_chest - up to 1/3 heads in size
breasts - 1/3 to 1 head in size
breasts+large_breasts - ~1 head in size
breasts+huge_breasts - between 1 and 2 heads in size
breasts+gigantic_breasts - 2+ heads in size



Anti_Gendou - Group: Moderator - Total Posts: 4375
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Posted on: 08/23/12 11:20PM

In Gelbooru I think flat chest literally means pancake flat. As 0.

It is scientifically still a breast is what I'm saying. That's what danbooru does. What do we do?

I think I'm going to tag them with breast anyway... unless enough of you say I shouldn't. Because it isn't like gelbooru will fall apart if I do.



Anti_Gendou - Group: Moderator - Total Posts: 4375
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Posted on: 08/24/12 04:11PM

Even all these images coming Danbooru are not rated properly.

And I don't just mean according to our rating system.

Not even to their own.



Jerl - Group: The Real Administrator - Total Posts: 6721
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Posted on: 08/24/12 04:50PM

Actually, Danbooru's tagging policy is that "breasts" is not to be used on images tagged flat_chest.



Anti_Gendou - Group: Moderator - Total Posts: 4375
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Posted on: 08/24/12 08:11PM

What about us? And the fact that Danbooru has no idea what it is doing anymore.



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