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Anonymous commented at 2016-02-03 05:34:04 » #1893674
If you want to know why I can explain. I used to work in game development and I know how these people think.
Most publishers are run by businessmen who have no desire to manage smaller franchises. If an independent developer sold 100K, 250K, 500K copies they consider that a huge success. But to a businessman that's seen as failure. They are all chasing after the big fish because that's what they're taught- to "look at the big picture" and make the most amount of money. They don't want to make some money or a lot of money- they want to make ALL the money. That's why there are so many replicas of Call of Duty and Resident Evil 4. They were genre-defining games and a safe bet to lure in the 13-25 male demographic.
In Nintendo's case Iwata ran the company into the ground with gimmicks and that worked for a while with the Wii but once the gimmicks run dry so does the money and third-party support. Metroid doesn't sell as much as Mario, Zelda, and recently Fire Emblem, as well as a lot more franchises; it has a smaller audience, so it gets the shaft.
And don't even mention Federation Force- a co-op game that no one wants is the final nail in the coffin before the franchise is buried for good. The best you can hope for is for Nintendo to sell the franchise to someone interested in keeping it alive.
My solution, if I was the president of Nintendo, would be to have a small but dedicated team of people making handheld Metroid games and releasing one ever 2 years to keep the franchise alive and relevant. Give the team a small, tightly-managed budget and you're good to go. There are fans right now that are making their own spin-off games such as Guacamelee, Axion Verge, and the unofficial remake of Metroid 2. I would hire them to develop Metroid games since they know what they're doing and have a strong passion for it. Japanese businessmen are stuck in the past.
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If you want to know why I can explain. I used to work in game development and I know how these people think.
Most publishers are run by businessmen who have no desire to manage smaller franchises. If an independent developer sold 100K, 250K, 500K copies they consider that a huge success. But to a businessman that's seen as failure. They are all chasing after the big fish because that's what they're taught- to "look at the big picture" and make the most amount of money. They don't want to make some money or a lot of money- they want to make ALL the money. That's why there are so many replicas of Call of Duty and Resident Evil 4. They were genre-defining games and a safe bet to lure in the 13-25 male demographic.
In Nintendo's case Iwata ran the company into the ground with gimmicks and that worked for a while with the Wii but once the gimmicks run dry so does the money and third-party support. Metroid doesn't sell as much as Mario, Zelda, and recently Fire Emblem, as well as a lot more franchises; it has a smaller audience, so it gets the shaft.
And don't even mention Federation Force- a co-op game that no one wants is the final nail in the coffin before the franchise is buried for good. The best you can hope for is for Nintendo to sell the franchise to someone interested in keeping it alive.
My solution, if I was the president of Nintendo, would be to have a small but dedicated team of people making handheld Metroid games and releasing one ever 2 years to keep the franchise alive and relevant. Give the team a small, tightly-managed budget and you're good to go. There are fans right now that are making their own spin-off games such as Guacamelee, Axion Verge, and the unofficial remake of Metroid 2. I would hire them to develop Metroid games since they know what they're doing and have a strong passion for it. Japanese businessmen are stuck in the past.
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Anonymous commented at 2016-02-03 16:40:58 » #1893872
Nobody "wants" a good Nintendo game before it's announced.
No one wanted Splatoon, no one wanted Chibi-robo, no one wanted Wind Waker and no one wanted Nintendo land but people loved them all the same.
People are just unfairly venting their frustration at the lack of new Metroid games on Federation Force.
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Nobody "wants" a good Nintendo game before it's announced.
No one wanted Splatoon, no one wanted Chibi-robo, no one wanted Wind Waker and no one wanted Nintendo land but people loved them all the same.
People are just unfairly venting their frustration at the lack of new Metroid games on Federation Force.
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Anonymous commented at 2016-02-03 16:45:57 » #1893874
The no money or all the money mentality is very prevalent amongst game developers but I don't think that's the main reason why they're not making a main series Metroid game, after all Nintendo is a big risk taker and some of their best known games where smaller projects.
I think the main problem is that Sakamoto messed up the cannon with other M and he won't let anyone change it because he's the creator of Metroid. I think the only reason Federation Force got allowed is because it doesn't feature Samus so Sakamoto wouldn't have a problem with it.
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The no money or all the money mentality is very prevalent amongst game developers but I don't think that's the main reason why they're not making a main series Metroid game, after all Nintendo is a big risk taker and some of their best known games where smaller projects.
I think the main problem is that Sakamoto messed up the cannon with other M and he won't let anyone change it because he's the creator of Metroid. I think the only reason Federation Force got allowed is because it doesn't feature Samus so Sakamoto wouldn't have a problem with it.
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Anonymous commented at 2016-02-04 01:56:55 » #1894089
"No one wanted Splatoon, no one wanted Chibi-robo, no one wanted Wind Waker and no one wanted Nintendo land but people loved them all the same."
Splatoon and Chibi-robo were new concepts and I don't know where you live but most people were excited for Splatoon. A vocal minority of people didn't like the art style of Wind Waker but I was in middle school when that came out and all the kids enjoyed it. There was quality and talent in those games.
Federation Force has all the hallmarks of a corporate executive following market trends and ordering a lifeless game because profits are down.
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"No one wanted Splatoon, no one wanted Chibi-robo, no one wanted Wind Waker and no one wanted Nintendo land but people loved them all the same."
Splatoon and Chibi-robo were new concepts and I don't know where you live but most people were excited for Splatoon. A vocal minority of people didn't like the art style of Wind Waker but I was in middle school when that came out and all the kids enjoyed it. There was quality and talent in those games.
Federation Force has all the hallmarks of a corporate executive following market trends and ordering a lifeless game because profits are down.
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Anonymous commented at 2016-08-15 20:01:19 » #2003932
Sakamoto is at best a co-creator of Metroid, and his ass was reigned in by far better men. When all of that was removed, his ego shone through and he then proceeded to ruin the franchise in short order to placate his own wants and desires. Metroid is a small series in Japan, and even in the world. It only took one really bad game to cripple it, and that's what Other M did. It turned most fans off and basically put the franchise as a whole on life support because it just pissed that many people off.
So instead of trying to restore the good will and faith of fans, they take the name of the Prime series, which a lot of people actually do like and slapped it onto a game that demotes Samus to a guest character, following market trends in the vain hope that it'll sell. Meanwhile they DMCA the amazing Metroid 2 remake that's been 8 years in the making and proved in its very short time of distribution to be something fans actually wanted and love instead of actually looking at it and realizing that they could license and sell it for almost pure profit.
Federation Force will sell enough copies to break even or make profit, because there's enough desperate Metroid fans who think that by doing so, they'll send Nintendo a message that they want more Metroid. But instead, it'll just tell them that they want more of Federation Force, not Metroid proper. They don't care what you want, they don't care if you want something more "traditional" to the franchise, which is its core. They want to change things, not for the betterment of the series and fans, but merely to do so in the hopes of getting more people to buy games who before didn't like what has been the core of the Metroid series.
Metroid fans do not matter because they do not grow the series, and by extension, bring in money. A loyal fanbase means jack shit compared to the mighty devalued by design yen. We've seen this time and again by companies who proclaim that such and such is dead or nobody wants it, and yet almost every single time they've been proven wrong.
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Sakamoto is at best a co-creator of Metroid, and his ass was reigned in by far better men. When all of that was removed, his ego shone through and he then proceeded to ruin the franchise in short order to placate his own wants and desires. Metroid is a small series in Japan, and even in the world. It only took one really bad game to cripple it, and that's what Other M did. It turned most fans off and basically put the franchise as a whole on life support because it just pissed that many people off.
So instead of trying to restore the good will and faith of fans, they take the name of the Prime series, which a lot of people actually do like and slapped it onto a game that demotes Samus to a guest character, following market trends in the vain hope that it'll sell. Meanwhile they DMCA the amazing Metroid 2 remake that's been 8 years in the making and proved in its very short time of distribution to be something fans actually wanted and love instead of actually looking at it and realizing that they could license and sell it for almost pure profit.
Federation Force will sell enough copies to break even or make profit, because there's enough desperate Metroid fans who think that by doing so, they'll send Nintendo a message that they want more Metroid. But instead, it'll just tell them that they want more of Federation Force, not Metroid proper. They don't care what you want, they don't care if you want something more "traditional" to the franchise, which is its core. They want to change things, not for the betterment of the series and fans, but merely to do so in the hopes of getting more people to buy games who before didn't like what has been the core of the Metroid series.
Metroid fans do not matter because they do not grow the series, and by extension, bring in money. A loyal fanbase means jack shit compared to the mighty devalued by design yen. We've seen this time and again by companies who proclaim that such and such is dead or nobody wants it, and yet almost every single time they've been proven wrong.
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Anonymous commented at 2019-05-16 16:44:10 » #2379200
Anon 2 -
Theory and practice are two different things. Any developer who gets a hit will want to milk it for all it's worth, and they need to sell it to the businessmen in the first place. It's not always the businessmen's call since they don't make the games to begin with...they just have to sell it.
Most importantly, it is still the consumers that support the games to begin with, and they have a choice of what they can an cannot buy. If there's is nothing good from Nintendo, they typically are not going to reach for the bottom of Nintendo's barrel for something...they are just going to look at different platforms and give Nintendo the finger.
But...if the consumers opt for the "shitty" franchises the minority gripes about, that places more of the blame on the gamers than the company.
Businessmen are only responsible for advertising...it's up to the developers and the consumers to make a franchise work.
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Anon 2 -
Theory and practice are two different things. Any developer who gets a hit will want to milk it for all it's worth, and they need to sell it to the businessmen in the first place. It's not always the businessmen's call since they don't make the games to begin with...they just have to sell it.
Most importantly, it is still the consumers that support the games to begin with, and they have a choice of what they can an cannot buy. If there's is nothing good from Nintendo, they typically are not going to reach for the bottom of Nintendo's barrel for something...they are just going to look at different platforms and give Nintendo the finger.
But...if the consumers opt for the "shitty" franchises the minority gripes about, that places more of the blame on the gamers than the company.
Businessmen are only responsible for advertising...it's up to the developers and the consumers to make a franchise work.
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