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Anonymous commented at 2016-07-08 09:56:20 » #1982801
You make a fair point, and respect for making it so clearly. I'm sure there are plenty of people who view a place like this as a way to escape certain social pressures. However, I do have to disagree that those social pressures should be left out of discussions here. For one thing, it's fundamentally impossible to separate a mindset from who a person IS, no matter what site they're on. Some people feel that political correctness requires a tiring level of effort, certainly - however, some people simply see it as basic manners that are fully ingrained in the way we think and act. There's no artifice involved. We're not putting on a show or straining ourselves to reach some sort of ideal; it's just how we are. Setting "political correctness" aside would be just as stressful for us as putting it on is for other people.
Think of it this way: say the image in question involved a black man, and someone who clearly did not have English as their first language asked a question about him, using the n-word to describe him. Someone else responded by saying, "Just so you know, that word is offensive. Here's the answer to your question." Would anyone tell that poster to grow up and stop being offended by words? I tend to doubt it. The context of the image, and the site it was posted on, wouldn't matter. It wouldn't matter if the black man were a paid actor. It wouldn't matter whether any black people were likely to see the comment. Society has decided that some terms are simply off-limits, all the time, full stop.
We're not there yet with the terms used to insult trans people - primarily because so many people truly do not know that the terms are insulting. Is it wrong to spread that information, even on a site like this, to people who don't want to hear it? Personally, I don't think it is.
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You make a fair point, and respect for making it so clearly. I'm sure there are plenty of people who view a place like this as a way to escape certain social pressures. However, I do have to disagree that those social pressures should be left out of discussions here. For one thing, it's fundamentally impossible to separate a mindset from who a person IS, no matter what site they're on. Some people feel that political correctness requires a tiring level of effort, certainly - however, some people simply see it as basic manners that are fully ingrained in the way we think and act. There's no artifice involved. We're not putting on a show or straining ourselves to reach some sort of ideal; it's just how we are. Setting "political correctness" aside would be just as stressful for us as putting it on is for other people.
Think of it this way: say the image in question involved a black man, and someone who clearly did not have English as their first language asked a question about him, using the n-word to describe him. Someone else responded by saying, "Just so you know, that word is offensive. Here's the answer to your question." Would anyone tell that poster to grow up and stop being offended by words? I tend to doubt it. The context of the image, and the site it was posted on, wouldn't matter. It wouldn't matter if the black man were a paid actor. It wouldn't matter whether any black people were likely to see the comment. Society has decided that some terms are simply off-limits, all the time, full stop.
We're not there yet with the terms used to insult trans people - primarily because so many people truly do not know that the terms are insulting. Is it wrong to spread that information, even on a site like this, to people who don't want to hear it? Personally, I don't think it is.
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Anonymous commented at 2016-07-08 11:50:33 » #1982858
In terms of the black man analogy, no not unless they use it offensively.
Like "What a ~N~", which I have seen and I believe is completely and utterly offensive due to the context of the comments. A person LEARNING English would be different because they would NEED to learn context as not to offend anyone, obviously. In other contexts though people have used the word in a more positive like complimenting the character, which I don't find offensive (being of that description myself). Again, it's not that it's good to use the word in everyday speech, but just chilling relaxing in a fictitious environment where paid actors do and say the same things for entertainment purposes is completely different.
Here they communicate with others who also share their unique tastes and interests which to them is no different than talking with their friends in the comfort of their home. It's a state comparability with other's who know what you mean and know for a fact that the terminology isn't use to offend anyone for any reason, until someone come to tell them as if they don't know not to use the term in public.
From their perspective they either see it as you treating them like they're ignorant and doesn't know what it means IRL or someone who isn't that good of a person for using the term... even if you don't mean it like that, assuming someone is ignorant from the get-go isn't going to leave a good taste in their mouth.
Obviously, you have the right to tell someone off if you don't like what they say. I'm not saying you don't, but at the same time I hope to help you understand this is a completely different environment than just walking down the street and shouting, "HEY look at that [Insert Offensive Term here]!" in pubic and telling THEM off.
If you look into the context of his comment he wasn't trying to degrade or denounce the actors in this image he was just stating what he saw. He never make a quip about how he felt or said anything to imply that he has ill-will toward those types of people. Someone just got defensive because normally when someone calls them out on something like that they are saying something about them as a person. I seriously doubt anyone watches porn to have their character judged.
Words like redneck, hillbilly, redbone or ebony are considered offensive to some people in the real world so we don't use that in the real world. I don't visit porn sites often, but judging by these pop-up/ads always use some shortening or short form of a word for convenience and a satisfactory description, not to offend or out of ignorance. It would be difficult for them to fit into the ad "Find African American women with redish skin features today." or "Find Southern American Caucasian Women today."
Companies and people know what they mean when they use a word, they just know they are in an environment where people know by now they mean no harm when they use that speech. That's all. It's not so much Social pressure to them as it is just nitpicking and unnecessary since we all know why they are here and it's not to hate or offend.
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In terms of the black man analogy, no not unless they use it offensively.
Like "What a ~N~", which I have seen and I believe is completely and utterly offensive due to the context of the comments. A person LEARNING English would be different because they would NEED to learn context as not to offend anyone, obviously. In other contexts though people have used the word in a more positive like complimenting the character, which I don't find offensive (being of that description myself). Again, it's not that it's good to use the word in everyday speech, but just chilling relaxing in a fictitious environment where paid actors do and say the same things for entertainment purposes is completely different.
Here they communicate with others who also share their unique tastes and interests which to them is no different than talking with their friends in the comfort of their home. It's a state comparability with other's who know what you mean and know for a fact that the terminology isn't use to offend anyone for any reason, until someone come to tell them as if they don't know not to use the term in public.
From their perspective they either see it as you treating them like they're ignorant and doesn't know what it means IRL or someone who isn't that good of a person for using the term... even if you don't mean it like that, assuming someone is ignorant from the get-go isn't going to leave a good taste in their mouth.
Obviously, you have the right to tell someone off if you don't like what they say. I'm not saying you don't, but at the same time I hope to help you understand this is a completely different environment than just walking down the street and shouting, "HEY look at that [Insert Offensive Term here]!" in pubic and telling THEM off.
If you look into the context of his comment he wasn't trying to degrade or denounce the actors in this image he was just stating what he saw. He never make a quip about how he felt or said anything to imply that he has ill-will toward those types of people. Someone just got defensive because normally when someone calls them out on something like that they are saying something about them as a person. I seriously doubt anyone watches porn to have their character judged.
Words like redneck, hillbilly, redbone or ebony are considered offensive to some people in the real world so we don't use that in the real world. I don't visit porn sites often, but judging by these pop-up/ads always use some shortening or short form of a word for convenience and a satisfactory description, not to offend or out of ignorance. It would be difficult for them to fit into the ad "Find African American women with redish skin features today." or "Find Southern American Caucasian Women today."
Companies and people know what they mean when they use a word, they just know they are in an environment where people know by now they mean no harm when they use that speech. That's all. It's not so much Social pressure to them as it is just nitpicking and unnecessary since we all know why they are here and it's not to hate or offend.
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Anonymous commented at 2016-09-13 19:27:46 » #2019128
Found The source, enjoy!
www.myvidster.com/video/6..._Arimura_Original_Chigusa
"Rki-385"
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Found The source, enjoy!
www.myvidster.com/video/6..._Arimura_Original_Chigusa
"Rki-385"
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