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BaconMinion - Group: Member - Total Posts: 1416
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Posted on: 09/20/24 05:27PM

Then you should watch Se7en.



Marleyansimp - Group: Member - Total Posts: 747
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Posted on: 09/20/24 06:51PM

Bale or DiCaprio?



Xalrun - Group: Moderator - Total Posts: 4915
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Posted on: 09/20/24 06:59PM

I really should get around to watching jacob's ladder. (the original, not the remake)



Narukovore - Group: Member - Total Posts: 1213
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Posted on: 09/20/24 09:27PM

Hey, so....I'm struggling with these "Star Wars reviews" I said I do.

Do I do a single post where I do brief thoughts on all films, where I say little about what I think about them?
Example:
"Episode V is the best film of the Original Trilogy and Vader says "I'm your father" which is a neat twist. Ok, next!"

Or do I do lenghty reviews, where I can talk about more of them but that may end up being lenghty individual posts for each film?
Example:
"Episode V is the best film of the Original Trilogy because of the great direction by the late Irvin Keshner and....."


Regardless, I'm working on my response to BaconMinion's post.



Hee-Ho - Group: Member - Total Posts: 4148
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Posted on: 09/20/24 09:41PM

Narukovore said:
Hey, so....I'm struggling with these "Star Wars reviews" I said I do.

Do I do a single post where I do brief thoughts on all films, where I say little about what I think about them?
Example:
"Episode V is the best film of the Original Trilogy and Vader says "I'm your father" which is a neat twist. Ok, next!"

Or do I do lenghty reviews, where I can talk about more of them but that may end up being lenghty individual posts for each film?
Example:
"Episode V is the best film of the Original Trilogy because of the great direction by the late Irvin Keshner and....."


Regardless, I'm working on my response to BaconMinion's post.

Say a short and easy review, it doesn't need to be a huge wall of text.
And hey, I do also struggle with my "Sonic Mandate" essay so, yeah.



Narukovore - Group: Member - Total Posts: 1213
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Posted on: 09/20/24 11:31PM

Episode IV - A New Hope:
A classic and a VERY important movie in the history of film. Sure, by today's standards it's a "by-the-numbers hero's journey movie". But let never be said otherwise: without Star Wars, films as we know them wouldn't be the same.

Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back
Often regarded as the best film of the original trilogy (or the best Star Wars film overall). And it's easy to see why. On top of being a great sequel and a great film on its own, the twist with Vader changed EVERYTHING and it opened the doors for the story of Anakin Skywalker.

Episode VI - Return of the Jedi
The "black sheep" of the original trilogy. Also happens to be my favorite when I was a kid. What can I say, I enjoy the stuff with Jabba, it's fun. Everything with Luke, Vader, and the Emperor is great. It's a great finale for the trilogy....and the saga. The sequel trilogy isn't canon.
Also, Ewok haters can suck it.


Episode I - The Phantom Menace
I watched it as a kid and loved it. I rewatch it now, and while I see with critical eye its flaws (my biggest gripe even today it's that Obi-Wan should have gotten more screentime), I still love the stuff that's good about it regardless. The pod race! Duel of the Fates! Darth Maul! Liam Neeson as a Jedi! I could go on and on.
Many focus on the negatives and not enough on the positives, and see the visual effects as bad when honestly Phantom Menace looks amazing even to this day and better than some stuff nowadays. The visuals (a combination of practical, miniatures, and CG) truly bring the universe that George Lucas imagined to life like the OT couldn't.
Also, Jar Jar haters can suck it.

Episode II - Attack of the Clones
Ok, this one I like the least. There's still stuff I like, like Obi-Wan's subplot and his fight with Jango Fett, Anakin's plot on Tatooine, and the entire climax on Geonosis. But man, Anakin/Padme love subplot is not well executed and it drags especially in the Naboo portion (at the very least, it does have the "I don't like sand" meme line).
My biggest gripe is that Christopher Lee as Count Dooku should have gotten more scenes.

Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
My favorite film of the prequel trilogy. I could go all day listing everything I love about Revenge of the Sith. From start to finish, it is a blast. Ian Mcdiarmid as Palpatine is the MVP of the film.
People shit on the acting in the prequels, but Ewan Mcgregor's (as Obi-Wan) cry for Anakin after their duel is some of the best acting in the franchise and it still hurts everytime I rewatch it.
And the Order 66 also hurts, especially if you watched The Clone Wars.


Episode VII - The Force Awakens
Directed by someone obsessed with mystery boxes. And it shows.
A retread of A New Hope with barely anything new. The one original idea (a Stormtrooper turning into a Rebel, with a potential future as a Jedi) is wasted in the trilogy. Finn deserved better. The OT heroes are done dirty, all for the sake of making way of the new protagonists.

Episode VIII - The Last Jedi
Well, the director is better than J.J.Abrams at least. But man, this movie is weird. It has stuff that I like, and stuff that I despise. It has good directed scenes, but also dumb scenes, abyssmal pacing, and the script is a mess. I can believe someone telling me they love TLJ, and someone telling me they hate TLJ.
I lean towards disliking TLJ.

Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker
This movie is a joke. A prank on every single Star Wars fan. It's a huge nonsensical mess from start to finish. Everything that one should not do in making a film is here, it should be studied so filmmakers never make another Rise of Skywalker.
It is a climax, but not for the Star Wars saga, but of all of Disney's hubris coming crumbling down on them after wasting the story potential of Star Wars in this trilogy and taking the fans for granted.

What's truly frustating about the Sequel Trilogy is that, if they had someone competent at the helm, story consultants that made sure everything made sense, decent script writers, and good directors working together, and a PLAN for the story and characters, the trilogy could have worked. Instead, Disney made a trilogy with no plan. A huge waste of potential.



Narukovore - Group: Member - Total Posts: 1213
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Posted on: 09/21/24 12:03AM

Also, my response to BaconMinion's takes

BaconMinion said:
New Hope: Literally saved in editing, and even what we got wasn't amazing. Lucas was never a good writer and his weird obsession with old Japanese samurai films isn't something I share.

1. About the "saved in the edit" thing (which I've seen thrown a lot by people downplaying George Lucas role in making his own damn film). It can't be denied the important work that Marcia Lucas did and she deserves more credit. And the rough cut of Star Wars was a product of a nightmare of production, which actually put George Lucas' health at risk. So it's amazing that a great film came out of it. With that said, if the rough cut was 100% bad, not even the edit would have saved it. The edit took everything that was good about the rough cut (the actors' work, for example), edited and put together the scenes, edited the effects, sounds, and music, and made it all work.
Also no shit it was "saved in the edit". All films have to go through the edit to go from the rough cut to the actual film.

2. The matter on George Lucas being a good or bad writer will never be settled, as there are people who'll defend or critique George. But people who downplay his role in, at the very least, creating the world of Star Wars and the characters, and say that he "sucks at story" are dumb.

3. Lucas' "obsession" with old Japanese samurai films has a name: inspiration. Film makers have films they're inspired by to make their own.


BaconMinion said:
Empire: Lucas didn't have as much to do with this one, so it's actually decent. I still don't like Hoth all that much, and Yoda acting liker a goofball is more annoying than anything else. The best idea, Anakin and Vader being the same person, came from this, and it tried to plant some seeds with a sister, which was meant to be its own trilogy.

1. You know that Lucas had to come up with the story, right?
2. How dare you talk shit about Hoth (the AT-AT fight is peak)
3. Yoda acts goofy for only 2 scenes to test Luke's patience


BaconMinion said:
Return: I fucking hate Jabba, and the special edition made things so much worse. The Death Star somehow returned, because fuck it. Endor is somehow second worst, because everything to do with Jabba was dogshit. It also made Leia into Luke's sister, forever killing the whole notion of another trilogy featuring Luke's sister being trained on the other side of the galaxy. Leia also does jack shit for most of the film, betraying what was once a good character. Harrison Ford should have just gotten what he wanted and Han to be killed off, given how little he had to do in the movie, outside of be some kind of jealous jackass over Leia and Luke.

1. For talking shit about Jabba, your sentence is to be devoured by the Rancor.
2. Controversial opinion, but I like the Special Edition's Jedi Rocks in a so-bad-its-good way. It makes me laugh.
3. Besides the in-universe explanations on how a Death Star II could be built, the reason George "resurrected" the Death Star was because the original concept of making a climax on Coruscant was too expensive.
4. "everything to do with Jabba was dogshit". You mean the battle with the Rancor and the Sarcoon Pit fight was dogshit? Do you lack the capacity to feel joy?
5. Leia was made into Luke's sister because George cancelled the plans for a "find Luke's sister" trilogy due to burnout (didn't help that he went through a divorce at the time).


BaconMinion said:
Phantom Menace: Oh. Fucking. Boy. A movie that could be skipped and you would only be very vaguely confused, because after this there's a massive time skip, and we're reintroduced to Anakin anyway. Lucas was never good at writing, but Lord have mercy.

You can't skip it, actually. Otherwise, you won't know that Anakin comes from Tatooine and has a mom there that its critical for his subplot in Episode II. Or when he met and fell for Padme. Or why Nute Gunray has a grudge against Padme and wants her dead, which kickstarts the plot of Episode II. Or where Jar Jar (who gives power to Palpatine) came from. Or who is Qui-Gon.

BaconMinion said:
Attack of the Clones: Lucas took what sounded like a cool lore idea, The Clone Wars, and turned it into a war between clones and robots, two forces that I have no reason to care about. Since I know the republic is dead, I can't even feel tension for that.

So you're biggest problem isn't stuff like the Anakin/Padme romance, but the fact the Clone Wars....was a war with clones....Ok.

"Since I know the republic is dead, I can't even feel tension for that." We know the Republic and Jedi will fall, that Anakin will turn to the dark side, and Palpatine will take over. It's called dramatic irony, dipshit.

BaconMinion said:
Revenge of the Sith: Palpy fighting Yoda was honestly the best part of the movie. Everything else was tripe and I wish I could have my memory wiped like C-3PO.

"Palpy fighting Yoda was honestly the best part of the movie" Yeah, that part was dope :D Especially when Palpy was throwing the Senate seats to Yoda
"Everything else was tripe" Oof! So close. Anyway, get ratio'd by the opera scene with Palpatine and Anakin.



Hee-Ho - Group: Member - Total Posts: 4148
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Posted on: 09/21/24 04:49AM

Nah, there is a critique of George's writing.
Whetever fans are defending his writing is irrelevant because it's all either sentimental or a opinion piece. In a objective lens, his writing choices are needed to be said.

But the movies are really good yes; they're not perfect oc, it had flaws. But most of the time it had good writing, memorable moments, beloved characters, etc. It's a great and fun movies.



spiderfan - Group: Unofficial Gardener's Guild - Total Posts: 1382
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Posted on: 09/21/24 05:10AM

BaconMinion said:
Then you should watch Se7en.

Last 2 based on historical and real life events



spiderfan - Group: Unofficial Gardener's Guild - Total Posts: 1382
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Posted on: 09/21/24 05:13AM

Narukovore said:
Also, my response to BaconMinion's takes

BaconMinion said:
New Hope: Literally saved in editing, and even what we got wasn't amazing. Lucas was never a good writer and his weird obsession with old Japanese samurai films isn't something I share.

1. About the "saved in the edit" thing (which I've seen thrown a lot by people downplaying George Lucas role in making his own damn film). It can't be denied the important work that Marcia Lucas did and she deserves more credit. And the rough cut of Star Wars was a product of a nightmare of production, which actually put George Lucas' health at risk. So it's amazing that a great film came out of it. With that said, if the rough cut was 100% bad, not even the edit would have saved it. The edit took everything that was good about the rough cut (the actors' work, for example), edited and put together the scenes, edited the effects, sounds, and music, and made it all work.
Also no shit it was "saved in the edit". All films have to go through the edit to go from the rough cut to the actual film.

2. The matter on George Lucas being a good or bad writer will never be settled, as there are people who'll defend or critique George. But people who downplay his role in, at the very least, creating the world of Star Wars and the characters, and say that he "sucks at story" are dumb.

3. Lucas' "obsession" with old Japanese samurai films has a name: inspiration. Film makers have films they're inspired by to make their own.


BaconMinion said:
Empire: Lucas didn't have as much to do with this one, so it's actually decent. I still don't like Hoth all that much, and Yoda acting liker a goofball is more annoying than anything else. The best idea, Anakin and Vader being the same person, came from this, and it tried to plant some seeds with a sister, which was meant to be its own trilogy.

1. You know that Lucas had to come up with the story, right?
2. How dare you talk shit about Hoth (the AT-AT fight is peak)
3. Yoda acts goofy for only 2 scenes to test Luke's patience


BaconMinion said:
Return: I fucking hate Jabba, and the special edition made things so much worse. The Death Star somehow returned, because fuck it. Endor is somehow second worst, because everything to do with Jabba was dogshit. It also made Leia into Luke's sister, forever killing the whole notion of another trilogy featuring Luke's sister being trained on the other side of the galaxy. Leia also does jack shit for most of the film, betraying what was once a good character. Harrison Ford should have just gotten what he wanted and Han to be killed off, given how little he had to do in the movie, outside of be some kind of jealous jackass over Leia and Luke.

1. For talking shit about Jabba, your sentence is to be devoured by the Rancor.
2. Controversial opinion, but I like the Special Edition's Jedi Rocks in a so-bad-its-good way. It makes me laugh.
3. Besides the in-universe explanations on how a Death Star II could be built, the reason George "resurrected" the Death Star was because the original concept of making a climax on Coruscant was too expensive.
4. "everything to do with Jabba was dogshit". You mean the battle with the Rancor and the Sarcoon Pit fight was dogshit? Do you lack the capacity to feel joy?
5. Leia was made into Luke's sister because George cancelled the plans for a "find Luke's sister" trilogy due to burnout (didn't help that he went through a divorce at the time).


BaconMinion said:
Phantom Menace: Oh. Fucking. Boy. A movie that could be skipped and you would only be very vaguely confused, because after this there's a massive time skip, and we're reintroduced to Anakin anyway. Lucas was never good at writing, but Lord have mercy.

You can't skip it, actually. Otherwise, you won't know that Anakin comes from Tatooine and has a mom there that its critical for his subplot in Episode II. Or when he met and fell for Padme. Or why Nute Gunray has a grudge against Padme and wants her dead, which kickstarts the plot of Episode II. Or where Jar Jar (who gives power to Palpatine) came from. Or who is Qui-Gon.

BaconMinion said:
Attack of the Clones: Lucas took what sounded like a cool lore idea, The Clone Wars, and turned it into a war between clones and robots, two forces that I have no reason to care about. Since I know the republic is dead, I can't even feel tension for that.

So you're biggest problem isn't stuff like the Anakin/Padme romance, but the fact the Clone Wars....was a war with clones....Ok.

"Since I know the republic is dead, I can't even feel tension for that." We know the Republic and Jedi will fall, that Anakin will turn to the dark side, and Palpatine will take over. It's called dramatic irony, dipshit.

BaconMinion said:
Revenge of the Sith: Palpy fighting Yoda was honestly the best part of the movie. Everything else was tripe and I wish I could have my memory wiped like C-3PO.

"Palpy fighting Yoda was honestly the best part of the movie" Yeah, that part was dope :D Especially when Palpy was throwing the Senate seats to Yoda
"Everything else was tripe" Oof! So close. Anyway, get ratio'd by the opera scene with Palpatine and Anakin.



I watched the farce awakens and I'm like they got rid of the EU for this



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