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Maximinimal - Group: Member - Total Posts: 1094
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Posted on: 10/29/24 12:05AM

sounds to me, OP wanted to fanfic the Bible into a Dungeons & Dragons material..and I don't see the problem here, though it's a problem on my part that I say Christianity sucks ligma.



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Posted on: 10/29/24 12:18AM

^Um, no? As you can you see from SomeInternetLoser's post and my own addressing it, their setting is only very partially influenced by Christianity, not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. Their setting has elements from Christianity, Islam, Greek polytheism, and Chinese Buddhism (From Journey to the West) just off the top of my head.




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Posted on: 10/29/24 12:20AM

Monbo said:
as long as you don't do stuff like sexualize Sister Sophia/Sofia.


Well, fuck.
I mean she isn't a Christian nun, and the point of her journey is to witness the same evil of the world she is fighting against, like perverted noble men who want to kidnap and rape her, demons trying to eat her, a priest that went full Claude Frollo for her, one time she got captured by bandits and sold in another continent which is the beginning of a story arc, etc. Besides, i don't think the demons that ocassionally capture her gets concerned about not sexualizing the cute girl they snatched and plan to eat.

In order to portray real goodness, you can't sugarcoat evil.

Monbo said:
I personally would maybe change some of the gods' names, like "Terran, Ifrit, and Alastor" as those names are already used quite a bit in other media


Eh... i already got accustomed to those names. The justification here is that those are adapted names from thousands of years of translations. (like Epherith/Ifrit). And i'd feel weird if i suddenly change the names after being used to those after having them in my mind for so long. Same thing happened to Goltas, Goltas was a placeholder name until it just suddenly felt right for him.

Monbo said:
You place a bit too much importance on characterizing the gods of your setting than the religion that worships them


The gods are people as well, with their own characters, personality and backstories. The real God of All is Chronumbolo, who is in fact the Abrahamic God. But don't worry, i'll try to describe the religions that worship each God, though most of it is the rite to become an accolyte, which differs depending of the values of each god.

Also, it's not only the gods, but also the Lunarians, or "The ancient sages". They are pretty much the elves of my setting (except that they don't have pointy ears, but glowing eyes) and they are suppossed to be the original humans free from sin until an external force corrupted some of them (which is a 10 pages google document worth of lore dumping by itself involving a battle against mechanical giants involving incest, rape, brainwashing, eldritch horrors beyond imagination, dragons, and aliens, yes, aliens, and believe me, it makes sense in universe).

Monbo said:
I completely understand that your setting is more focused on action and adventure, and all this stuff I just typed out won't matter for a setting like that and will come off as jarring and random to include.


I'm following Tolkien's school of fantasy writting, write the story first, and then season it with lore in a way that the reader can learn from the world in a way that doesn't feel like an info-dump.

Because, believe me if i can fill this forum with infodumps about the lore of Almaterra, i haven't talked about other important characters like the children of Matelus, specially Mandhros and THE UNSPEAKABLE. Speaking of THE UNSPEAKABLE, that... thing, is the main force behind the evils of the world, Matelus may be the God and king of Hell, but THE UNSPEAKABLE is the actual Satan of my setting. Born dead, unable to create, only to corrupt, incapable of loving, and hiding in the shadows, waiting for his return. Its magic is on key component for the creation of demon kind (Spirits of darkness, or simply "Sins").



SomeInternetLoser - Group: Member - Total Posts: 201
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Posted on: 10/29/24 12:24AM

The point of the Journey is that Sophia made a very grave sin in her first life, and so, she has to live 10 lives of virtue and goodness so she could be forgiven and ascent as a Lunarian clean of sin. Cambyon has known her since her first life and he already carries 10 lifetimes of character development, as bad as he is (as demons are naturally evil), he is not as evil as he could be, compared to other demons.

In this world, people reincarnate until they can "burn down their evil" and after that they can ascend, not to heaven, but to the moon and reborn as Lunarians (which is basically heaven).



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Posted on: 10/29/24 12:37AM

Hee-Ho said:
Hey, isn't that for your own world map?


No, that's for another, more Gelbooru compliant, story.



Monbo - Group: Member - Total Posts: 99
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Posted on: 10/29/24 12:48AM

Oh, sorry. I didn't mean you couldn't show her getting into dangerous situations with evil people. I'm more talking about not having typical anime-style sexualizing scenes like her breasts being uncovered or her clothes being ripped off JUST for the explicit purpose of having the audience get to see her body. It's also always important not to make scenes too exploitative (there's actually a dead genre called nun exploitation that existed because of this). Scenes involving lots of sex and violence must have purpose and not be aimless torture porn. But, since you said she's not a Christian nun, I guess doesn't matter, in the sense that it probably won't offend Christians.

Oh, that's fine on keeping the names the same! I just personally felt that the names just felt a little too generic, imo. Sorry if that was offensive of me to suggest changing it.

Interesting, I didn't know that this setting it set in the future!

Also, I completely understand in regards to Tolkien's style of writing, (though if I remember, I do think Tolkien actually made one of his languages first before writing a story, but I can be certain). A story lives a dies by it characters, and setting lore is just extra sauce for that main course. When I was typing my response, I did feel that I was sound like George R. R. Martin with his "What about Aragorn's tax policy?" nonsense, as if that's important to the story. Religion is just one of those things I'm interested in, so I look at it a bit more critically in stories than other stuff.



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Posted on: 10/29/24 12:55AM

What's the Christian equivalent of a death fatwa? If one doesn't exist, then you have nothing to worry about lol, other than how well it will/won't sell, and maybe excommunication. Write whatever you want.



Monbo - Group: Member - Total Posts: 99
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Posted on: 10/29/24 01:08AM

gulabjamuns said:
What's the Christian equivalent of a fatwa? If one doesn't exist, then you have nothing to worry about lol, other than how well it will/won't sell. Write whatever you want.


I'll try to answer this the best I can because as a Catholic Christian layman, I just mostly focus on my immediate church and general theology, and I usually don't worry about more "official" laws and terminology hashed out by clergymen. I'm also not that well versed in Islam, so I don't know if my answer will actually stand as an equivalent for fatwa.

Anyway, for Catholic Christianity at least, I suppose the closest thing would be edicts or proclamations? There is also official catechisms that are collected into books that are supported directly by the Pope and Vatican: www.amazon.com/Catechism-Catholic-Church-2nd/dp/0879739762

While searching, there are also several versions of official letters, such as ones called "bulls," that Pope can make. However, it seems that all the examples I listed lack the general judicial power of a fatwa, which are actively enforced by a governmental power.



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Posted on: 10/29/24 02:16AM

Monbo said:
Interesting, I didn't know that this setting it set in the future!


It's not set in the future. Almaterra is another world entirely, it just happens to also have aliens. After all, Chronumbolo, God of All, did create the heavens, and the stars that inhabits it. It's not too farfetched to imagine that he also created other worlds and gave them their own local gods to manage.

Spoiler:
The alien race are called the Toraan, and they came from planet, guess what, Earth, after their guardian God planned to exterminate them through a flood. One man, professor Noah Adams (yes, this is "In the past, humanity had a more advanced civilization that was wiped out", and yes, this is a biblical reference) created a spaceship called "The ARK" where a group of humans used to escape their doomed world and traversed the universe looking for a new home.

in their way, they encountered many other planets, like Maiocchia, Ferandinar, Solaria, Arghon, etc, but for diverse reasons they couldn't live in those. One planet they discovered was the planet Memoir, it had a perfect atmorphere for the Toraan to live, however, Memoir was already inhabited by 75 different races of beast people that were in constant war with each other. One race, the K´saurians, attacked the Toraan colony that landed on the planet. cutting all contact with the mothership, who assuming that the colony was exterminated, quicky fled the planet's orbit. Now not all humans were wiped, and the survivors did their best to survive (which explains why there are humans in planet Memoir, but that's another story).

Meanwhile, the Toraan mothership landed in another planet named Almaterra, a bit more pacific, the locals (Lunarians) seemed friendly enough. There was a problem though, the gods, for obvious reasons the Toraan weren't thrilled to live alongside gods. So, instead of living alongside the Lunarians, they went to the other side of the world (The world is split in half, one half are the continents where humans live and the other is the vast ocean, kingdom of Goddess Nerey, The Neraydra).

Nerey wanted the Toraan out, so she declared war against the Toraan, war that... she was losing. Years of traveling through space granted the Toraan with military knowledge and advanced technology, including how to create giant mechas.

Nerey basically dragged the Lunarians and the other gods into her war, declaring that the Touraan were the ones who started the conflict. And so, all the gods (Including Matelus) joined forces to fight the giant mechas, the human Toraan retreated to their mothership waiting for the results of this conflict.

It took a lot of effort, but the gods managed to defeat the mechas, however, a black substance that leaked from the mechas' energy core fell onto Matelus, nothing weird happened at first, but that was the end of the ancient era, and the prelude of the chaos era.

Years after the Toraan war. Matelus' attitude changed, he became more cruel and evil than how he usually is. One day he called his sister Nerey, inviting her to his home, just to have a chat with his dear sister. Nerey hated Matelus, but he did help her in the Toraan war, so she couldn't reject him. However. Once Nerey was with his brother, alone, Matelus, possessed by the DARK MATERIA, started beating her and ripping off her clothes, then he violently raped her. After Matelus came inside her, though, he came back to his senses, as if the darkness that took hold of him escaped him through his semen. Ashamed and regretful of what he did, he ordered his fire spirits to lock Nerey until he can come up with an idea to get out of this situation. Of course Nerey, feeling betrayed and not knowing about Matelus' possession, thought that it was all her brother's idea. And to make everything worse, news came, Nerey was pregnant.

Matelus was desperate, not knowing what to do and making excuses to his fire spirits, fully aware that sooner or later, Ushust and Nephil will notice Nerey's absence and will start asking questions. However, news came to him, Nerey had a miscarriage and lost their child. Matelus was mildly relieved, took the "dead" fetus and threw it to the bottom of the Matelai. Now he just had to explain everything to Nerey and problem solved, right?

Nerey escaped. She went back to the Neraydra and prepared her army to erradicate the entirety of the Matelai and get her revenge. However, while that was happening, Nerey and Matelus' sin against nature kept gaining form, despite being dead, it was still a god, and it could still cause damage to the world. This creature was THE UNSPEAKABLE or how the Lunarians called it "Ill Ishtma'ul". At that point it was a being of pure evil and darkness without a conscience. Not knowing what it was doing, he leaked his blood towards the world, corrupting everything that was in contact with it. Including the Lunarians, who in contact with the black blood mutated and turned into primordial dragons. It was an end of the world escenario that needed the intervention of the god Nephil, who took the uncorrupted Lunarians and used his magic to make them immune to the black blood. Now, the uncorrupted Lunarians, the gem animals, the gods and their spirits fought against the dragons and the creatures corrupted by THE UNSPEAKABLE.

Meanwhile, the war between the Neraydra and the Matelai was taking place, Nerey made use of her full army to exterminate the fire spirits and capture Matelus. who at the end ordered the surviving fire spirits to flee and hide in a safe place. Matelus was captured, and Nerey kept him to torture him in payback, not listening to Matelus's explanations, eventually, Nerey ripped Matelus' left eye from its socket.

A group of fire spirits snuck into Matelus' prison and helped him escape, some of them died while escaping the Neraydra, leaving just a few surviving fire spirits left. Matelus could create more, but Chronumbolo descended from the heavens. For what he did to his sister, Matelus had his power of creation stripped from his father. Leaving the last surviving fire spirits as the last of their kind.

In the surface, all dragons were successfully exterminated, only leaving some inferior "Lesser dragons" (Dragons born from primordial dragons, and exceptionally weaker) behind. The Lunarians could go back to the planet, but there was a problem, the heart of the world, home of souls and core of reincarnation, became corrupted as well, if the Lunarians were to die in the surface world, they would reincarnate as corrupt beings. The solution ws to create another stream of souls and move the Lunarians into another place, the moon. There was another problem, see, the Lunarians, despite having a limited lifespan, could also reborn and so they had proxy inmortality. however, the souls of those turned into dragons were absorved into THE UNSPEAKABLE, and if they want to get them back, they had to cleanse the heart of the world in a way that won't destroy it. Big lore is big, the gods created humans, with their limited lifespan and without the power of magic so they could live with the purpose of cleaning the heart of the world through good actions and lifes of virtue, which is the really slow method. Humans souls are tainted by THE UNSPEAKABLE and thus they are more prone to evil and temptations. Not only that, but the essence of THE UNSPEAKABLE attached to humans' souls as a parasyte also had the effect of reacting with humans souls when they committed a sin, giving form to dark spirits while the light of the soul gave them life. THE UNSPEAKABLE couldn't create life by itself, but by using humans as life factories he could use them to form his army. Here's where Matelus enters, as king of hell, he used his power to send "newborn" demons into his reign where he could lock them or use them as labor. However, when there are too many demons in the Matelai, some manage to escape and leak into the planet, these demons attack humans and their prime instinct is the destruction of mankind. There are many details left, but i think this post is long enough.



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Posted on: 10/29/24 10:24PM

Okay, here's the creation myth of my world:

It was a moment of boredom when Chronumbolo, god of all, created the heavens and the stars that inhabit it.

Chronumbolo then created his children using his own blood.

It was also in a moment of boredom when Matelus, one of Chronumbolo's sons, had the idea of ​​having fun by overthrowing his father and murdering his brothers in cold blood.

Nerey, the youngest of Chronumbolo's childs, learned of Matelus' sinister plans and warned her older brother, the firstborn Ushust.

To avoid Matelus' massacre, Ushust and Nerey fled to the lower regions, but on the way and by accident, Nerey separated from Ushust and fell into the great sea of ​​the lower world.

As much as Ushust searched, he could not find Nerey. And fearing his brother's punishment, he went alone to the realm of shadows where he would be safe.

Not only did Nerey fall to the lower realm, when Matelus wounded his own father's body, forcing him to flee, the blood that splattered fell on a beautiful garden at the foot of Mount Calypso, the only terrestrial body in the lower world, and from the fruit of a peach was born the last son of Chronumbolo, Nephil.

At birth, Nephil heard the whisper of the wind, which informed him of the betrayal of his brother Matelus and the disappearance of his other two brothers. After that, Nephil swore that he would defeat his brother and avenge his father and brothers.

Little by little, he made his way to the top of Mount Calypso, first crawling, then walking and finally running, and managed to reach the top as a man.

Once at the top, Nephil obtained the power of a true God, with this power he forged three weapons and with a powerful leap he went to find his brothers.

First he went to the realm of shadows, where he met his brother Ushust, who became the king of the empty sands' land, the Ushesta. There, as a sign of brotherhood, Nephil gave him the scythe of souls and they went to confront Matelus.

On the way, Nephil and Ushust heard a voice calling to them from the surface of the great sea. Nephil knew immediately that it was his sister Nerey, so the two brothers descended into the great sea, where they found their sister raising her head to the surface.

Nerey explained that when she fell into the great sea, she stayed on the surface to breathe and look for Ushust, but when she saw Matelus pass by, she submerged her head to hide. Each time she submerged for a longer time, until over the centuries, she developed gills and made the sea her home, and called it Neraydra.

Upon hearing her story, Nephil handed her the trident of storms and they pulled her out of the sea. Nephil took the last weapon, the eternal sword, and with the brothers reunited, the three of them went to confront the evil Matelus, who sat on his father's throne, once again, bored.

Seeing his brothers arrive, Matelus was glad, but not out of any feeling of filial love, but because he could finally entertain himself once more, killing the last children of Chronumbolo.

But Matelus did not count on the combined power of the three brothers and their celestial weapons, after a fierce fight that put the balance of the cosmos in check, Nephil launched a lightning bolt of light with which he managed to weaken Matelus, Ushust opened a portal to the deepest place in the realm of shadows, where he would never be able to escape, and Nerey dealt the final blow that pushed him into his eternal prison, the Matelai.

Having defeated Matelus; Nephil, Ushust, and Nerey shared the world. Ushust would return to the Ushesta to guard Matelus' prison, Nerey would return to her palace in the depths of the Neraydra as its queen, and create all living beings who saw their origin in the oceans to be her subjects. Finally, Nephil would return to the top of Mount Calypso, Nephynia, where he became the king of the heavens and great leader among those who would become the great gods of the world.



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