Posted on: 03/06/25 11:48PM
Hee-Ho said:
Narukovore said:
You mean Steven in Future? When he snapped after all the shit he went through? Yeah, what an asshole :/
You can say that the same to Ruby Rose, but that doesn't stop the fact that it's poorly written and unlearned.
I can list a lot of characters who went through this journey who were actually genuine. With Steven, he was never punished from his mistakes (even from the start), instead the show gives him free powers like a giveaway to the point he became a gary stu. Even if there was a attempt, they downplay his actions for plot sake.
I know jack shit about RWBY, so comparing Ruby Rose to Steven means nothing to me.
And look, I'm not gonna say "no other character in fiction has suffered as much as Steven Universe", I'm not an idiot. Steven's trauma in Future is a joke compared to the shit most fictional characters had gone through.
And I'm not going to argue about the writing on the series or Steven as a character. Because no, the writing isn't all that good.
Though defenders will fight you on this, young Steven (not Future Steven) could be argued is a Gary Stu. There's some moments in the show where things don't go Steven's way (like trying to save Eyeball only to almost die if it wasn't for the Crystal Gems arriving at the right time), but he's quite obviously meant to be a messiah type character, adored by most of the cast and able to solve things with pacifism by the end of the show. And the execution IS flawed, to say the least.
I already said that the Diamonds getting redeemed (or rather, "we'll ignore your crimes because you're Steven's aunties and need to get along" and not properly being redeemed or punished for their MANY crimes) was a dumb decision and its execution was lackluster.
And here's the thing about Steven in Future: I liked what they where going for. Having Steven experience trauma, PTSD, questioning himself, seeing his ugly side, growing distant to his loved ones and family, even his own dad, going in a downward spiral that ultimately led to him breaking his pacifist nature, fighting Jasper to the death and shattering her. It was ALMOST a good story.
But then, they ruined it. Jasper was shattered only temporarily and was revived, no consequences besides the "almost killed her". And even though Steven went through the ultimate cosmic punishment, mutating into a monster, they didn't have monster Steven do anything (like say, destroy Beach City or New Homeworld) and they solved everything by hugging monster Steven and Steven finally going to a psychologist OFFSCREEN.
Hee-Ho said:
Eh.
But even with its flaws, I wouldn't call the series "awful". More of a mixed bag, with good elements but bad execution.
You can like the show, I enjoyed it out of how bad this is. And it makes it funnier when I check BTS
pbs.twimg.com/media/DEk4dTCWsAARjq8.jpg. But I'm not pretending that this show is "mid", because it isn't. Sure, there are good things about the show like you said, but it's like a diamond in a sea of shit.
Here's where I stand: I'm neither an active defender of the show or a hater. I liked the show, but was disappointed by how it ended. The stuff I like about it, I still like. Most haters of the show focus too much on the negatives and ignore why the show was praised back in the day in the first place. It is most certainly NOT a flawless masterpiece and there's a lot of wasted potential and bad executions. The show's defenders also need to realize that, that is not wrong to criticize Steven Universe. The show deserves some praise for what it did right, but also deserves criticisms for what it did wrong. You can't just mindlessly praise Rebecca Sugar and think she can do no wrong. And you can't mindlessly shit on the show and Rebecca, to the point of becoming Lily Orchard (no one wants to be like Lily Orchard).
You can like or dislike the show. Just don't be an asshole about it.
Also I'm gonna respond to your comment you made on the thread I made about favorite shows here because I specifically made a rule of the thread to "no fights allowed"
Hee-Ho said:
Narukovore said:
If someone on this thread says something like "My favorite show is Steven Universe" DO NOT respond their comment with "You like that garbage show?". Likewise, do not engage with users that are clearly trying to start a fight.
You made this thread because I called you out from this:
You mean Steven in Future? When he snapped after all the shit he went through? Yeah, what an asshole :/
When I stated why, and even said it's fine to like the show, even I did.
If you made this thread as a coping mechanism over saying a opinion, then it's really pathetic.
No. I didn't made it because of your response, which I just recently read. I made the thread in response to this thread's TITLE. "The Legend of Korra is utter dogshit". To be honest, I'm tired of negative threads like this, especially since they invite fights and discourse, so I made a positivity focused thread where not only we talk about shows we like, but where NO FIGHTS are allowed.