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lozertuser - Group: The Fake Administrator - Total Posts: 2218
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Posted on: 02/20/11 09:19AM

Are we still fighting over the tos of the site? You are free to go visit and contribute to Xbooru if you do not agree to the policies we have set here. I want this site to be dedicated to artwork from Japanese artists, the rules reflect that with exceptions. If you can not follow the terms of the site, or feel they are stupid, then you should not contribute. At all.



xavier3058 - Group: Member - Total Posts: 2
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Posted on: 02/20/11 08:42PM

lozertuser said:
Are we still fighting over the tos of the site?
Not at all; I thought I was being reasonably civil, actually. I'm just trying to understand your reasoning on the matters raised in my previous post.

I'm certainly not trying to suggest you run a bad site, which seems to be something you took away from my last post. I just think that this particular rule is a rather strange and arbitrary one. It punishes several talented artists (the removal of DFer's material is what brought this whole thing to my attention; I wasn't aware he wasn't Japanese) on a solely geographical basis. It's nothing that'll make me abandon the site, but it does have a significant impact on the site content, and I'm apparently not alone in thinking that it turns out a net loss in terms of quality artwork.

If it's something you feel isn't worth discussing, then I can respect that and I'm sorry for bringing it up again—but if that's the case, then why leave the thread open?



Anti_Gendou - Group: Moderator - Total Posts: 4357
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Posted on: 02/20/11 10:20PM

I presented some peaceful protest a few weeks ago; not exactly fighting against it all out. But I still obey (or try to) said rules. Most of the images I've uploaded were from Japanese sites anyway, or from CG circles, so I'm content with it in the end.

But not everyone knows who all is Nip or not yet... and that includes mods of course. But those issues can be brought before the court in the image restoration thread I hope.



internetlovemachine - Group: Fleet Admiral Cat - Total Posts: 3836
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Posted on: 02/20/11 10:50PM

Anti_Gendou said:
But not everyone knows who all is Nip or not yet... and that includes mods of course. But those issues can be brought before the court in the image restoration thread I hope.

Until we can improve the user base on Gelbooru, they probably won't find out.

I typically only delete once I can confirm through a deviantart page or somewhere that they're not Japanese.

In scenarios where they don't provide their location or anything, if they're on a site like hentai-foundry and speak perfect English, I assume chances are they aren't Japanese.

In worse case when there's no artist to go off of and tineye/saucenao fails me, I'll either ask the other mods or only delete it if it's obviously Western.

Personally, I am kinda wondering how allowing certain Western artists to be uploaded under a much higher standard to Japanese artists here would work. It'd save the few good Western artists people are complaining about like DFer, while still allowing us to purge most of the shit.

If you guys really want to try and change the rule, that's how you should be going about it, not "THE RULE SUCKS U MODS ARE RACIST ~FuK dA pOlIc3~" I seem to see whenever I nuke an artist.



YuYu - Group: Member - Total Posts: 1
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Posted on: 02/21/11 08:28AM

internetlovemachine said:

Personally, I am kinda wondering how allowing certain Western artists to be uploaded under a much higher standard to Japanese artists here would work. It'd save the few good Western artists people are complaining about like DFer, while still allowing us to purge most of the shit.

If you guys really want to try and change the rule, that's how you should be going about it, not "THE RULE SUCKS U MODS ARE RACIST ~FuK dA pOlIc3~" I seem to see whenever I nuke an artist.



If you delete one non-Japanese artist you should delete them all. Rules are rules and you should follow them instead of trying to bend them. Bending your rules will just create unrest among your fan base. Especially since it sounds like you have a "everyone else" site (Xbooru) where the non-Japanese artist can be posted too. If you do bend the rules you will just have people complaining about why artist X got removed and artist Y didn't, even though they are both non-Japanese. I rather not have this site go down the same path DeviantArt did with their crazy admins who follow a similar "rule bending" practice. I also rather not have this site get the "art snob" status like Hentai-Foundry has.

Yeah I wasn't happy that my friends art got removed since its not all that bad but maybe better explaining that Gelbooru is meant for Japanese artist only would help. Cause really who actually reads the ToS or is able to find it? The ToS is a small link on the home page and it's only location. You should probably make the ToS easier to find or have a statement on the upload image pages that says something along the lines of "Please do not upload non-Japanese artist." Or maybe better advertising for Xbooru would help fix the problem. Gelbooru isn't clearly defined as being "Japanese artist only". People just see it as a place to post and find art.



It'd save the few good Western artists people are complaining about like DFer, while still allowing us to purge most of the shit.


And internetlovemachine, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Because its "shit" to you doesn't mean its shit to everyone else. There are plenty of terrible Japanese artist out there. Just check Pixiv.



lozertuser - Group: The Fake Administrator - Total Posts: 2218
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Posted on: 02/21/11 11:59AM

YuYu, I'm not sure how much more plainly I can put it than how it is worded in the tos. It's linked on the upload page in big text. "Non-Japanese: Anything not drawn by a Japanese artist is not allowed."

We have a topic made in regard to your first paragraph too. People just refuse to read and are banned as a result of their unwillingness to do so.
gelbooru.com/index.php?page=forum&s=view&id=653



internetlovemachine - Group: Fleet Admiral Cat - Total Posts: 3836
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Posted on: 02/21/11 04:32PM

YuYu said:
If you delete one non-Japanese artist you should delete them all.

I never said I didn't. I thought DFer was honestly good, but I got rid of him. Ragathol was alright when he wasn't doing crazy futa art, I've gotten rid of him two or three times now.

YuYu said:
If you do bend the rules you will just have people complaining about why artist X got removed and artist Y didn't, even though they are both non-Japanese

People doing that very thing is what got us the non-Japanese rule in the first place. It'd obviously happen again, we could either slap forum #653 in their face or just stop playing nice with them. Considering just how many people use that argument though, we would end up banning a quarter of the website.


And internetlovemachine, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Because its "shit" to you doesn't mean its shit to everyone else. There are plenty of terrible Japanese artist out there. Just check Pixiv.

Most of the deviantart-tier crap on Pixiv never finds it way to any booru is the difference. Deviantart is different in that regard.

I wasn't really suggesting we change the rule to that as much as I was thinking out loud about what would happen if we did.



senpai - Group: Member - Total Posts: 91
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Posted on: 02/25/11 02:22AM

internetlovemachine said:
Personally, I am kinda wondering how allowing certain Western artists to be uploaded under a much higher standard to Japanese artists here would work. It'd save the few good Western artists people are complaining about like DFer, while still allowing us to purge most of the shit.

agreed. we need a white-list of western artists that make better than average Japanese style art.
could you bring this up with mods/poll/trac or something?



internetlovemachine - Group: Fleet Admiral Cat - Total Posts: 3836
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Posted on: 02/25/11 02:28AM

Every other mod sees this thread as well, if they read my posts they already know my opinion on it. Bringing it up elsewhere won't help.

It's Lozers choice if anything changes, I'll keep enforcing it unless it does.



senpai - Group: Member - Total Posts: 91
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Posted on: 03/04/11 02:54PM

haha so lately Ive noticed these non-japanese-atrists-art being re uploaded without there artist tag. (y)



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