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Xalrun - Group: Moderator - Total Posts: 4705
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Posted on: 09/20/11 12:27PM

I should seriously invest in more newtype magazines.



Yavie - Group: Member - Total Posts: 390
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Posted on: 09/20/11 07:27PM

jedi1357 said:
Yavie said:
jedi1357 said:
* Singles from magazines such as New Type are fine.
* Doujin covers count as doujin.
How about newtype covers as well as covers from other magazine?


gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=newtype
gelbooru.com/index.php?pa...t&tags=magazine_cover

Looks to me like they stay. As long as it's not a doujin or manga.
Newtype is basically just a large magazine with chapters from several manga. So we only consider it manga when it is published as Tankoubon? Well, I guess we'll just ask Lozer when he gets back.



Jerl - Group: The Real Administrator - Total Posts: 6706
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Posted on: 09/20/11 07:53PM

Newtype has more in it than just manga chapters, though. The manga chapters in it are considered manga, and should be deleted. Other parts of the magazine, however, are not, including the cover.



Yavie - Group: Member - Total Posts: 390
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Posted on: 09/20/11 11:28PM

Jerl said:
Newtype has more in it than just manga chapters, though. The manga chapters in it are considered manga, and should be deleted. Other parts of the magazine, however, are not, including the cover.
The cover features characters from manga that are included in Newtype. If covers are deleted for Tankoubon and Doujin because manga/doujin pages exist, then it's the same for Newtype. Manga and Doujin aren't always just pages of the comic either but often feature art and other things. These things are always considered a part of the manga/doujin and are deleted right? So the same should apply to Newtype... probably.



Jerl - Group: The Real Administrator - Total Posts: 6706
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Posted on: 09/20/11 11:48PM

Except that a very significant portion of newtype isn't manga. In fact, rather than saying that a portion of it isn't manga, it's more accurate to say that only a portion of it is manga, since most of the magazine is in fact not manga. Additionally, from what I can tell, the majority of Newtype covers don't have pictures of characters in the manga they serialize; they have pictures of popular anime and manga at the time. A google image search for the Japanese serialization name, ニュータイプ , returns a lot of covers featuring characters from the Suzumiya Haruhi franchise, as well as others such as K-ON! and Kissxsis, which have never been serialized in Newtype.

To make an analogy, let's take an essay. If you take an essay about censorship that passively mentions the book Nineteen Eighty-Four in one or two places, and let's say that one of these places includes a quote. You wouldn't call it an essay on the book Nineteen Eighty-Four. Sure, it contains a quote from the book, but the majority of the essay is not about the book Nineteen Eighty-Four. Therefore, an instructor who had told you not to write an essay on Nineteen Eighty-Four would probably still accept it, especially if you've got stuff not related to the book in it. They might ask you to remove that reference, though.

This is a very different situation from writing an essay about Nineteen Eighty-Four that references some other nonfiction source on censorship. Your instructor would have you re-do the whole essay.

Similarly, the equivalent of the references, which in this case would be the single chapter of manga that they serialize in each issue, should be removed from Gelbooru. However, the majority of the magazine should not, including the cover. Compare this to serializations that feature primarily manga, such as Weekly Shounen Jump. Since the cover on a magazine like that would be a manga cover, it should be removed.



Yavie - Group: Member - Total Posts: 390
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Posted on: 09/21/11 12:53AM

Jerl said:
Compare this to serializations that feature primarily manga, such as Weekly Shounen Jump. Since the cover on a magazine like that would be a manga cover, it should be removed.
Egads... we were discussing Newtype, but I was thinking about Shonen Jump all this time. So replace "newtype" in all my above quotes with "Shonen Jump" and it will make a whole lot more sense.

Still...

We might want to consider exactly why covers for Doujin are not allowed on Gelbooru. Covers (unless there is no text there) seem to me to be in the same league as motivational posters. More often than not the art featured on the covers of Newtype already exist but without the Newtype logo and other text.



internetlovemachine - Group: Fleet Admiral Cat - Total Posts: 3836
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Posted on: 09/21/11 01:18PM

Yavie said:
Covers (unless there is no text there) seem to me to be in the same league as motivational posters. More often than not the art featured on the covers of Newtype already exist but without the Newtype logo and other text.


How are those even slightly similar?

They're not in the same league. They're not even in the same series.



Tom23 - Group: Unofficial Gardener's Guild - Total Posts: 261
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Posted on: 09/21/11 03:31PM

I wish we still had Newtype USA.



Dante1016996 - Group: Member - Total Posts: 758
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Posted on: 09/21/11 03:50PM

I just noticed there is a Hetero tag. Do we even need a Hetero tag?



Dante1016996 - Group: Member - Total Posts: 758
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Posted on: 09/21/11 03:51PM

I just noticed there is a Hetero tag. Do we even need a Hetero tag?

Edit: Crap. Sorry about that double post



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