So you're saying that a search for "kasumi" should return both images of DoA's Kasumi and Pokemon's Kasumi?

No. That makes absolutely no sense. We do not have a functioning implication system, so you cannot rely on images with these characters being properly tagged with the copyright tag. This means that if you only want images of one specific Kasumi, there's a very large chance that if you're forced to also search for a copyright tag along with the character tag, you will miss images.

In general, if a proposed change to the use of a given tag relies on another tag being used properly, that's setting us up for major tagging issues.

Additionally, while we have a policy against composite tags, we also have a policy that each tag should only have exactly one meaning, and this policy holds far more weight than the policy against composite tags. The policy of "each tag only has exactly one meaning, and each meaning only has exactly one tag" is the very reason why booru sites are capable of providing comprehensive tagging where you can search for a very specific thing and get all of that thing, and only get that thing, no matter how specific or broad your search is.

We could remove the qualifier from one Kasumi, and have the rest still be qualified. But which would we remove it from? Both Pokemon and DoA are very large franchises, so there's no real way to decide. Hence, they're both qualified. And, because it gets really difficult to determine which one to qualify, we've actually added qualifiers to character tags which didn't have them before if a character with the same name is introduced in a different copyright, and as a general rule, we have tended to move toward using more qualifiers rather than fewer ones.

I really can't consider qualified character tags to be composite tags anyway.

Do you folks mind if I care about OC names and tag them as such with both a char type tag and the original tag? Of course, if I can get the correct romanization, that is...

Also:
So what's with Yande.re and the fact that I can't upload from it by using a direct link in the source field?

Ah, composite was the word. Thanks.



Yes, and virtually for all other kasumi character tags that have copyright and maybe artist qualifiers. I just picked the ones that appeared most popular as example.



But actually you can't rely on images being tagged with the proper qualified character_tag either if a character_tag without qualifiers exists, can you? So as of now, one would end up searching for "kasumi* dead_or_alive" or "kasumi* pokemon*" anyways in order to get all images of Kasumis from DoA or Pokemon respectively... Not to mention that you have to look up regularly whether character name tags have changed due to qualifiers or not if you want to add or edit tags.

So for example, I can't really say since when Gelbooru uses "kasumi_(doa)" in favor of simply "kasumi" as I haven't looked her up specifically for some months. I just came across this a couple of hours ago by your reply here as there's still 737 posts according to the tag list.



That is exactly why I actually had the idea ... How do we (or the mods/gardener's guild) decide which characters get qualifiers, and which don't? By simply counting the actual images on site? Or by the current franchise popularity? Or by looking up search terms and counting them?

And how is it decided how those qualifiers look like? When do we use the abbreviation qualifier ("doa" instead of "dead_or_alive" but not "pkmn" instead of "pokemon"), and how detailed can we get about those qualifiers? Are we diving that deep into details that "kasumi_(pokemon)" is different from "kasumi_(pokemon_frlg)"?

I guess may decisions are handled through IRC so mods can react and decide much faster... which is reasonable.

Maybe I'm thinking too much - definitely writing too much ;P - but it appears quite intransparent to me, no matter how many times I look tags up in the tags list and wiki or on danbooru or ask here first... And I didn't know anything about the uniqueness policy while being here for almost four years now (first tag edit). Where can I find those policies?



Because one actually could search for character_tag and copyright_tag instead of the qualified character_tag.

The only qualifiers I would think we'd need are to prevent confusion with genre, artist and copyright tags.

Artist, character, and copyright tags can't be ambiguous; they are objective tags that are absolute. Only general tags are allowed to be somewhat ambiguous, such as some color hues having the possibility of being tagged different things, making them subjective.

Qualifiers for original characters should be based on the original artist. Qualifiers for characters from a series should be based on the series. Well-known abbreviations for the series are acceptable as a qualifier. Qualifiers for artists should be based on their groups or secondary identifiers. Copyright tags generally don't need additional qualifiers because copyrighted names should only have one application. General tags don't get qualifiers unless it's to differentiate between two common meanings, such as the shape "star" and the celestial object "star_(sky)".

If there is an ambiguous character tag, it should be changed to be specifically for a single character. Some historical characters, such as Oda Nobunaga have multiple tags with different qualifiers because their appearances in each series has a different portrayal and they are not interconnected.

Very unusual names or tags based on living people are less likely to need a supplementary qualifier.

If you want to ignore qualifiers, then just use wildcards in the place of them in your searches. There's really no point in going further than that.

The thing is, a character tag without qualifiers does not exist. If there are images with the non-qualified tag, it's because people are bad at tagging. All of the posts with the non-qualified character tags should have the tag removed and replaced with a qualified tag.



You are required to do this for all tags anyway, regardless of whether the character tag is qualified or not.



The tag counters, especially for tags that were in use back before things like this would have been qualified, almost always state a higher number of posts than are actually there. The counter says 737, but in reality there are zero posts with the tag on the site at the moment. There may have been a handful before, but if that's the case then someone cleaned them up after you mentioned them.



For a lot of these tags, the actual qualifier used is chosen by Danbooru. Since 72+% of our uploads are imported from Danbooru with Danbooru's tags, and we have a bot that imports tags on these imported posts, it makes our lives a lot easier to just go with Danbooru's decisions for minor things like this. We haven't had to acutally decide on many qualifiers ourselves. Usually we go with the official title of a series, or if there's an official shortening, we will often use that. "Pokemon" actually is one such official shortening, with the original Japanese name being "Pocket Monsters". Usually we will only go with the shortened version if the full version is excessively long. We will sometimes give a separate character tag for different incarnations of a character, but this usually has to be a very significant change (for example, Dante from DMC).



Actually, most such decisions that are actually made here on Gelbooru are made right here in this thread. Sometimes they'll be made in a separate thread if it's a big enough decision. However, as I said, most of the time these decisions are made over on Danbooru, not here on Gelbooru, and we just follow what they do.



But you can't search for not ( character_tag and copyright_tag ). If we don't use qualified tags, there's no way to remove a specific character from your search results without removing a whole lot of other stuff as well. Generally we try to keep our tagging as functional as possible, and this would remove a lot of functionality from the character tags that it would be applied to. You also can't blacklist it at all. There's no way. You'll end up blacklisting all of the characters with that name, or all of the images from that series or even parodying that series.

Thank you for your patience and elaborating Gelbooru's regulations. :)

I changed the artist tag "all" to the pixiv ID "all-true-story" because it's not possible to find an image with that tag by itself on Gelbooru.

That's an interesting tagging issue.

Wouldn't be that difficult to change the backend to not do that, since it'll show the same listing if the tags value in the post list is left empty or not even included, but "all-true-story" seems like a better tag to me anyway.

side_view_fellatio

gelbooru.com/index.php?pa...p;tags=side_view_fellatio

is basically just "profile fellatio" mostly. But with less images.

Profile probably isn't even used as often as it should but still.

Sounds to me like it's something that should just be made into a pool.