I'm pretty sure androgynous means that it is difficult to tell, by sight, if the person is male or female.

Also, the word you are probably thinking of is eunuch.

Stty openoffice. . . I'd rather pay then to have bad suggestions for spelling, and there ain't no grammar check for it either. As you can see, I'm lost without my MS word.

Yes, the word IS eunuch, sub branch emasculate, sub term Desexualize.

As for Androgynous here is the brake down:
Andro = Manlike/Masculine Form
gyno = Womanlike/Feminine Form
ous = State of being; composition; formed.
Therefore:
Androgynous means in a state of Manlike/Womanlike Form, because Andro has top billing, it would appear more Manlike but contain female characteristics. That would explain why most of the stuff there is traps.
But Either way, I Ain't changing the new tag I made cause that's what they are; womanlike.
gynous would mean feminine qualities, not specifically/necessarily form though, so we require the use of Morph to transfer the meaning of form and therefore resulting in the word: gynomorphous.

I WILL however add the Tag Eunuch to the other ones that don't have any Naughty bits at all.

Thanks again.

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I REALLY Need my Encarta and MS Word back. . .

Thref, your comments have been noted, so my lack of response is because I think we've both made our points on the issues. Where we disagree is where we disagree and it's up to other people reading this stuff to make up their own minds. I want to get to other things.

dn: flamewar (by rkeun): That's only part of it. While many flamewars quickly degrade into personal attacks, not all of them do. What, to me, distinguishes a flamewar from a mere discussion, is when the language and attitudes get out of hand, and that's the criteria we use on the board I help run. Stay cool, civil, and polite and you can criticize an idea all you want. Lash out in anger, or say things with the intention of "fanning the flames" and you're flaming, and that's when we get out the fire hoses.

Androgynous: I never said that an androgynous individual doesn't have nipples. I believe, although I'm not going to look back up there in that mountain of text to find it, I either quoted a dictionary definition or linked to one. I'll do so, here, again (from the online version of the Merriam-Webster Dictionary):

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androgynous
One entry found.

Main Entry:
an·drog·y·nous Listen to the pronunciation of androgynous
Pronunciation:
\an-ˈdrä-jə-nəs\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Latin androgynus hermaphrodite, from Greek androgynos, from andr- + gynē woman — more at queen
Date:
1651

1: having the characteristics or nature of both male and female
2 a: neither specifically feminine nor masculine <the androgynous pronoun them> b: suitable to or for either sex <androgynous clothing>
3: having traditional male and female roles obscured or reversed <an androgynous marriage>
— an·drog·y·nous·ly adverb
— an·drog·y·ny Listen to the pronunciation of androgyny \-nē\ noun

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The second definition is the most commonly used one, followed by the first definition, and finally the third. I think that reflects a shift in usage during this Century, too, the first definition being, etymologically, the more "correct" one. Obviously, this is a word that's used in three completely different, and mutually incompatible ways.

Encarta (the online version) defines it thusly:

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androgynous


an·drog·y·nous [ an drójjənəss ]


adjective
Definition:

1. blending masculine and feminine: neither male nor female in appearance but having both conventional masculine and feminine traits and giving an impression of ambiguous sexual identity
androgynous looks

2. physiology hermaphrodite: having both male and female physical characteristics

3. botany with both male and female flowers: describes a plant species in which both male and female flowers occur in the same flower head

[Early 17th century. < Latin androgynus "hermaphrodite" (see androgyne)]

an·drog·y·nous·ly adverb
an·drog·y·ny noun

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Clearly, in some use of the term, "futa" is androgynous, in that futa partake of both masculine and feminine characteristics, but that's only one usage of the term. In the most commonly used definition you would be using it when you look at an image and wonder "Gee, is that a guy or a girl?", and I see quite a bit of that sort of thing in hentai because many artists seem to tend to draw effeminate males and the distinction between them, when you can't more than the face, is minimal. In this case the presence or absence of genitalia is really a non-issue. Rather, it's the "intersex" appearance of the individual which is in question.

Some of the images which have the "androgynous" tag are clearly so. Some of them just as clearly not androgynous. Personally, I think this tag is just about useless because it's being used in several different ways.

www.gelbooru.com/index.ph...&s=view&id=508814

In this case the tag refers to the appearance of the character without respect for clothing. Is this a guy or a girl? Hard to tell, really. It's tagged "trap", and that's true if it's a guy, and the image shows narrow hips, but, frankly, I've seen Real Life girls with a boyish figure. Is that bulge testicles? Maybe, and maybe not. I've seen Real Life vulvas bulge like that, too. This is clearly an androgenous *person*.

www.gelbooru.com/index.ph...&s=view&id=509974

Guy, or girl? Again, hard to tell. This image is tagged "reverse_trap". Without researching the character, one has to assume the tagger knows it's a female. If so, she certainly has a flat chest, but not all adult women have bouncy boobs, you know. The hair style is feminine, but the clothing style is masculine. Again, clearly androgynous, but for different reasons. Strip off the clothes and we could tell one way or the other.

www.gelbooru.com/index.ph...&s=view&id=506321

Guy, or girl? This is a kid. Young children are almost indistinguishable in terms of male/female because they haven't developed secondary sexual characteristics. It's also tagged "loli", so, presumably, the tagger realized this is a little girl. The *reason* for this tag isn't because she has an androgynous figure (that's a foregone conclusion with a child this age), but that the clothing doesn't make a distinction, and we can't see enough of the crotch to know what sort of plumbing she has.

Bottom line, for me, is that the "androgynous" tag doesn't really help me to sort things out.

Eunuch: No, a eunuch is not a person that has no male or female bits. A eunuch is a male who has been castrated. He still has his penis, so using "eunuch" as a tag for a figure which possess no penis is wrong. Since you like Encarta, Thref, here is what it says about the term:

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Eunuch (Greek eunouchos, “keeping the bed”), castrated human male. From ancient times, in East Asia and the Middle East eunuchs were used to take charge of the women in harems or to serve as chamberlains. They often attained positions of great influence, and in Egypt the term was applied to any court officer whether or not he was castrated. The idea that eunuchs were lacking in courage and intelligence is refuted by the histories of Iran, India, and China, where they were active and effective in public affairs. The employment of eunuchs reached its height in the courts of the Byzantine emperors at Constantinople (present-day İstanbul). Muslim rulers employed eunuchs mainly as harem officials.

Boys who were castrated in order to keep their soprano voices were known as castrati; the Italian soprano Carlo Broschi Farinelli (1705-1782) was one of the most famous castrati. The practice was widespread in Italy until the accession of Pope Leo XIII in 1878. The voluntary practice of castration for religious celibacy appeared early in Christian history and was most prevalent in the 3rd century, but it was never officially approved by the church and came to be violently denounced.

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And to stave off any objection to the term castration", also from Encarta:

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Castration, removal of the gonads in humans or animals. Castration has been employed medically to combat some forms of cancer, but this use is declining. At one time castration was used as a means of eugenics. With the advent of newer, less drastic methods of sterilization, this procedure is no longer used as a means of family planning. In China and the Middle East, selected male children were castrated to serve as guards of womens' quarters or as chamberlains, but this practice ceased in the 20th century (see Eunuch). In Europe in the 16th through the 18th centuries, boys with fine voices were sometimes castrated to sing in church choirs as castrati because of the Roman Catholic ban on female singers (see Singing). Earlier operas, the so-called opera seria, frequently were written for adult castrati. The practice ended in the 19th century.

In animal husbandry, castration of male animals is called gelding and castration of females is called spaying. It is used for such purposes as selective breeding, increased docility, and, for pet cats and dogs, simple sterility.

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Actual removal of the penis is sometimes, although not consistently, called "emasculation" (and in this sense can also involve castration), this word having other meanings, as well, but "castration" only involved removal of the penis or part of the penis in relatively ancient times. It's no longer used in that sense.

The first one is by Usura, so definately a trap, although one of his/her somewhat-harder-to-tell traps.
The second is Kino, as the tags say, from Kino no Tabi (translated as Kino's Journey when it was released in the US). As far as I understand, since I've only read one of the novels and seen very little of the anime, she's fairly young.
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As for your break down of the word, Thref, I don't think which part comes first (feminine/masculine) has any bearing on what's considered androgynous. As far as I understand it, the point of androgyny is that, as long as the subject is clothed, it's hard/nearly impossible to tell if the person is a male or female.

Didn't you originally bring this up as a tag as a form of censorship? That's the only reason I pointed out it was already a tag to begin with :/
Here, on Gelbooru, it's generally referred to characters with a somewhat gender-neutral appearance.
How gender neutral depending on the viewer, of course. When I first saw Kino (Ferryt's second link), I thought she was a boy. Lesson learned: If you're unsure, never assume a character's sex/gender until someone uses a pronoun.

And no "naughty bits" doesn't nessicarily mean the image is of an eunuch. You'd have to assume the person in the picture was male. And, again only as far as I understand it, eunuchs only had their testicles removed, they still had a penis.

Crap Shakes. It's an Ambiguous word then, that explains it.
Fine, I could have left it tagged that way, but I'm a little bit more into precision so I decided a New tag was in order. Use it or Not, I will Mayhaps it will catch on.




Dam it. Guess I'll have to change those tags back again.
Well, At least I know 1 tag I can keep.
So then, What the Hell is that word I'm looking for?
I know I came across it once, but I don't recall the blasted word. Perhaps it's found at Synonyms for Mannequins.

I'll have to think of something else IF I can't find that word I'm looking for that is defined more or less as: lacking naughty bits.





Your thinking of the word Omission(not androgynous), so No.
I guess I'll just have to tag em, omitted_bits for the time being then.

I don't know what to say ... for a change. Yes, there's a word for someone without genitalia. I remember either hearing or reading it a long time ago, but never had a cause to "exercise" that bit of language so whatever might have been rolling around in my grey matter is forever gone, now. And Google has failed me. "Asexual" might work for you, but that's not the word.

I think I may actually have it typed up, but it's on a backup disc somewhere and my CD Drive ain't working right.

No Though, It isn't Asexual. And if it isn't that specific word, then it wont be working for me.

Still, I decided that perhaps the Tag, omitted_bits works better because it could be that the character has nips but not vag or pen. Also, it could work for other things artists leave out like Eyes or Mouths.

It might just be more of a personal issue with me, rather than a board-wide issue, but when I save images I sort them according to "setting" (game/manga/movie/etc.) and character name. Yes, the name of a character is important to me. We have a character tag, "char:<name>" or "character:<name>", but I'm finding a LOT of images being uploaded which have tags that might be character names but which aren't structured as character tags. They could also refer to the artist, or just about anything else that could be a Japanese name. I'm spending a lot of time researching this on images which catch my eye, and it's not always easy, especially since I'm also finding characters tagged with the wrong names, so just searching on such a tag to see if every image contains, for instance, a blue-haired girl, doesn't always work. Then I go to Google, finding myself winding my way through multiple sites until I find one where someone talks about, for instance, "Tonami Yuma" (one of the tags I just corrected) as a character.

Could we, somehow, force new taggers to have to understand the proper use of character, artist, and copyright tags, and would those of you reading this please help in correcting "unattributed" name tags?

I don't think that images that are taken from Gelbooru have the tag types (copyright, character, and artist) transferred with it.

Possibly, but I'm noticing some images with improper name tags that didn't get here via. the Danbooru sync.