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bunnykilla99 - Group: Member - Total Posts: 4
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Posted on: 05/26/15 04:10AM

I'm here to complain about the ban on toddlercon, and "grotesque" imagery.
first of all the rules against this content are not only arbitrary, but completely hypocritical.
sure, most find this sort of content fucked up, but can you tell me with a straight face that there isn't content allowed on this site that's equally fucked up, if not more so?
what it comes down to is a matter of taste.
people saw something they didn't like, so they thought nobody should be allowed to see it.
it's bullshit
just stay away from the tag, and you'll be perfectly fine, you don't have to ruin things for everyone else because you don't approve of what they like.
on top of that, the ban is pretty much unenforceable.
considering the fact that there's literally millions of images on here, it's understandably very hard to police this sort of thing. there's still tons of it out there. basically, all you're doing is creating a serious inconvenience to those who want to view this imagery.
I'd love to have a serious discussion on this topic with anyone who is willing, especially someone who moderates this site.
my question to you is this: can you give me one single concrete reason this content shouldn't be allowed other than "I really don't like it" or something similar?



Crazy_Lezard - Group: Member - Total Posts: 39
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Posted on: 05/26/15 05:45AM

"I don't like it" is a perfectly valid reason for a privately owned website.

That being said, I seem to recall that toddlercon was banned because it was mainly used as a vehicle for anons to exchange CP. This, and the comments on the pics were honestly horrific.



internetlovemachine - Group: Fleet Admiral Cat - Total Posts: 3836
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Posted on: 05/26/15 08:01AM

bunnykilla99 said:
just stay away from the tag, and you'll be perfectly fine


Toddlercon was beginning to have serious negative ramifications for the site. It was already a huge black eye when approaching advertisers, but the bigger issue was the users.

The users who used to frequent that tag always had horrible, pedophilic usernames(Pretty sure there was more than one "kidfucker", for example), made comments that were WAY too graphic for the material(to the point of outright saying they've done it in real life), but the death knell for it was that they were beginning to use Gelbooru to distribute actually illegal material.

It wasn't a thing where you could just stay away and everything would be fine, something had to be done. Keeping it truly was a case of "more trouble than its worth."

I feel fairly confident that Gelbooru kept that stuff around for much longer than most other sites would in those circumstances.

As for grotesque art, we are MUCH more lax on those sort of images than we were, say, a couple years back.



bunnykilla99 - Group: Member - Total Posts: 4
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Posted on: 05/27/15 12:25AM

internetlovemachine said:
but the death knell for it was that they were beginning to use Gelbooru to distribute actually illegal material.

I was unaware of this.
having the site shut down over this sort of thing really isn't worth it, and that's something I can understand.

As for grotesque art, we are MUCH more lax on those sort of images than we were, say, a couple years back.


however there doesn't seem to be much of a reason for a ban on the grotesque art. the fact that things are more lax still doesn't get rid of the fact that there still is a ban, and things are being removed. does the grotesque art have some sort of history as well?



jedi1357 - Group: Moderator - Total Posts: 5778
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Posted on: 05/27/15 01:03AM

bunnykilla99 said:
does the grotesque art have some sort of history as well?


The owner of the site just didn't want it here. There is a Gurobooru if you're into that stuff.



IxFa - Group: Member - Total Posts: 7
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Posted on: 05/27/15 06:34PM

The grotesque ban was something I wasn't all too aware of. I still see some of it from time to time and didn't think much of it.
Is that something I'm supposed to be flagging?



Xalrun - Group: Moderator - Total Posts: 4713
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Posted on: 05/27/15 06:45PM

Sure. We just aren't actively looking for it if that's what ilm means.



internetlovemachine - Group: Fleet Admiral Cat - Total Posts: 3836
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Posted on: 05/27/15 09:17PM

Xalrun said:
Sure. We just aren't actively looking for it if that's what ilm means.

No, I mean we are less strict.



6R1M01R3 - Group: Member - Total Posts: 11
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Posted on: 05/28/15 02:35AM

The reason toddlercon was banned not only on gelbooru but many hentai sites is because Russia placed a ban on it, any Russian ISP will deny service to any site hosting it.

This was brought up on rule34.paheal.net when all the Lilo images were removed.



Anti_Gendou - Group: Moderator - Total Posts: 4370
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Posted on: 05/28/15 03:17AM

The idea that Gelbooru pulled toddlercon because of Russia's threats to ban it are laughable. Because toddlercon is banned on Gelbooru and Gelbooru is STILL banned in Russia. So Gelbooru has little reason to care about Russia's thoughts on it. And I think we banned toddlers before Russia started contacting sites about those things.

Gelbooru hasn't really made any decisions based on Russia's requests.

In fact, when it comes to LOLIcon, Russia didn't even give Gelbooru a chance to. If memory served, they banned Gelbooru before the posted date they said they would so there was no way to respond even if that was desired.

Even if we pulled that shit now, the Russian government probably wouldn't allow the site back in until every forum post that complained about them is removed.


I highly doubt that paheal gave two shits about Russia either.

Though the lilo removal was slightly justified, removing the entire copyright was shortsighted. Even legally age characters were removed as they just clean slated the entire tag. (and it wasn't the only one) That's a different issue though.



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