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Mderms - Group: I do edits sometimes. - Total Posts: 1313
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Uncensored vs decensored tag
Posted on: 07/28/18 11:04PM

Going by the respective wiki's, all of my posts should be posted as decensored I guess, since they are all decensors done by myself (with the exception of one). But going by wording in the uncensored wiki, either tag would apply in my situation.


Which should I use really?



jedi1357 - Group: Moderator - Total Posts: 5772
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Posted on: 07/28/18 11:19PM

Mderms said:
Going by the respective wiki's, all of my posts should be posted as decensored I guess, since they are all decensors done by myself (with the exception of one). But going by wording in the uncensored wiki, either tag would apply in my situation.


Which should I use really?


The wikis are probably outdated. decensored is no longer a tag we use. It should be "uncensored third-party_edit".

[Edit] Updated wikis.



Anti_Gendou - Group: Moderator - Total Posts: 4367
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Posted on: 07/30/18 02:10AM

what is your avatar from?



Mderms - Group: I do edits sometimes. - Total Posts: 1313
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Posted on: 07/30/18 11:28PM

Anti_Gendou said:
what is your avatar from?



gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=3966401



Anti_Gendou - Group: Moderator - Total Posts: 4367
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Posted on: 07/31/18 05:10AM

thanks



toozdayschild - Group: Member - Total Posts: 3
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Posted on: 08/03/18 02:10PM

If the image is censored, tag it as 'censored'.

If the image is not censored, there is no need to tag it as 'uncensored' or 'decensored'.



jedi1357 - Group: Moderator - Total Posts: 5772
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Posted on: 08/03/18 02:56PM

toozdayschild said:
If the image is censored, tag it as 'censored'.

If the image is not censored, there is no need to tag it as 'uncensored' or 'decensored'.


This is wrong. Ideally the tags censored and uncensored should be mutually exclusive and we would have no need for one or the other tag however not all censors are equal. convenient_censoring, hair_censor, tail_censor, out-of-frame_censoring, ect. should all be tagged censored for example. You can have an identity_censor over a person's eyes and completely uncensored genitals too so a post can have both censored and uncensored tags at the same time. I've even seen examples were only the text was censored and nothing else.

For historical reasons there are many older posts that are under-tagged but the staff and Gardener's Guild can only do so much. It became much easier to add the uncensored tag to the 169,000 posts that need it then to tag the remaining 685,000 posts as censored.



Misari - Group: Member - Total Posts: 14
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Posted on: 02/27/20 10:52AM

jedi1357 said:
Mderms said:
Going by the respective wiki's, all of my posts should be posted as decensored I guess, since they are all decensors done by myself (with the exception of one). But going by wording in the uncensored wiki, either tag would apply in my situation.


Which should I use really?


The wikis are probably outdated. decensored is no longer a tag we use. It should be "uncensored third-party_edit".

[Edit] Updated wikis.

jedi1357 said:
toozdayschild said:
If the image is censored, tag it as 'censored'.

If the image is not censored, there is no need to tag it as 'uncensored' or 'decensored'.


This is wrong. Ideally the tags censored and uncensored should be mutually exclusive and we would have no need for one or the other tag however not all censors are equal. convenient_censoring, hair_censor, tail_censor, out-of-frame_censoring, ect. should all be tagged censored for example. You can have an identity_censor over a person's eyes and completely uncensored genitals too so a post can have both censored and uncensored tags at the same time. I've even seen examples were only the text was censored and nothing else.

For historical reasons there are many older posts that are under-tagged but the staff and Gardener's Guild can only do so much. It became much easier to add the uncensored tag to the 169,000 posts that need it then to tag the remaining 685,000 posts as censored.


I know the post is old and I shouldn't answer, but this is stupid, uncensored and decensed they are quite different, specifically
uncensored: Posts which might typically be censored except the genitals are fully visible without any distortion or bar.
Decensored: Images which were censored in their original form but by the kind intercession of a third party (or the original creator in some cases) have had this censorship removed are said to be "decensored."

so in my opinion they should all be used
decensored when the official relaser modifies the image (for example the rail wars bd)
uncensored third_party when the release is official but it is not the original creators who remove the censorship
uncensored uncensored for all other types of censorship that do not fit into the above

ot: we have a tag library? it would help me to be more specific but in general I think it will help everyone.





Jerl - Group: The Real Administrator - Total Posts: 6706
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Posted on: 02/27/20 03:56PM

We have a tag wiki. Click the link at the top of the page that says "Wiki" to access it. We also follow Danbooru's wiki for any cases where we don't have an article or our article is clearly very outdated. That can similarly be found by clicking the link at the top of any Danbooru page that says "Wiki".

As for your points, remember that tags aren't used to describe the image, they're used to find the image. Complexity should only be added to how images are tagged if it makes it easier to find specific images. While images decensored by the official source are a different thing from images decensored by a third-party source, and images that were never censored in the first place are different from both, in the end they are all images that are not censored; they're all visually the same thing. Keep in mind that we delete any edits where you can tell that the edit has been done without seeing the original, so the only use case I can think of where it would be helpful from a searching perspective to differentiate them, specifically trying to find examples of decensored images to compare them to ones that were never censored in the first place, won't be very effective because any with noticeable qualitative differences will be removed. Searching for decensored images will find images that look exactly the same as searching for images that were never censored. Splitting these tags increses the complexity of tagging without any actual worthwhile gains in searchability.

In addition to this, there are two general tag policies that this would violate as well. First, we have a tag-what-you-see policy. That is, with a few specific exceptions, tagging should be based on what's visible in an image and nothing else. The other is that we have a policy to only have one tag for any specific meaning. Since you can't visually distinguish originally uncensored images from third-party decensored images because we delete ones that are visually distinguishable, two tags would hold the same visual meaning, and would therefore violate the policy against multiple tags with the same meaning.



Misari - Group: Member - Total Posts: 14
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Posted on: 02/27/20 04:43PM

so recolor/ crop/zoom or render (for improve framing or emphasize a subject) aren't consent here? good to know. Personally I am against but I have nothing against those who post them, regardless of this the one you indicated is the point. Being descriptive, it is the fastest way to find an image, just like in the photo a girl has the "ribbon" takes the ribbon tag "(so you can search for all the girls via the ribbon tag") (so they do, 0.0000000001% of users is another matter,) is the same for the tags above.I don't know if possible, but making a description of the tags (metadata) in the "visible" photo via wiki would help (i meant somewhat like this (forget paint skill)

imgur.com/QWW62AG



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