Ticket Information - ID: #1428
| ID: | Category: | Severity | Reproducibility | Date Submitted | Updated By: |
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| 0001428 | Feature Request | normal | N/A | 07/28/25 06:02AM | Jerl |
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| Summary: | Create a "Special" Tag for important Tags that are of Unique Value |
| Description: | Add "Special" to the list of Tag Groups ("Artist", "Character", "Copyright", "Metadata", "Deprecated", and General/Ungrouped). If added, it should be placed as the last Tag Group between the others and the General/Ungrouped Tags. This would include tags related to Orientations, Gender, Ethnicity, Species, and Fetishes to be readily accessible so people can more quickly access the actively important tags without having to drown in a sea of Generic/Ungrouped Tags. The Tag Color I propose would be PINK since Pink itself is not a color of the rainbow, unlike Red, Orange, Green, Purple/Violet, or Blue (Light Mode)/White (Dark Mode--technically not on the rainbow so much as it is every color of the rainbow combined... but you get the point). Since Pink is special from a "common colors" perspective, it makes sense for the color of the Special Tag Group. The "Special" Tag Group would be placed beneath the "Copyright" Tag Group and above the "Deprecated" Tag Group (which are above the "Metadata" Tag Group) on the side bar of a given image. Bonus Related Feature Request: Add "Clothing" to the list of Tag Groups. This would be positioned right above the proposed "Special" Tag Group since the "Special" Tag Group is meant to be for especially important "Generic" Tags that are reasonably seen as more important than the tags within either the "Metadata" and "Ungrouped" Tag Groups but not as important as the actually identifying information of the art. Or, in other words, "Clothing" Tags would be above the "Special" Tags because it's something specific that on its own covers a wide array with specifics relevant to most artworks in one way or another. |
| Additional Info: | Since I'm having this as viewable... Content Warning: Some tags are/include slurs. Therefore, since I am mentioning tags and will bring these tags up, these slurs get mentioned. Obviously. Don't read if you're going to be a little whiny baby about seeing mention of slurs that are literally tags on this site. (The crassness is meant to set tone for people not to melt as easily. Normally, I'd at least try to avoid being insulting.) I also once use an anti-trans slur that ISN'T a tag. Don't waste time virtue signaling at me for using it, because I am qualified to say it for the same reason gay people can say the f-slur and black people the n-word. I'm also using it for a valid reason that if I wasn't qualified to say it, this specific usage should still be given a pass. ANYHOW ONTO THE ACTUAL POINT. As it stands, there are 5 main categories of Tags. 1. "Artist" Tags 2. "Character" Tags 3. "Copyright" Tags 4. "Metadata" Tags 5. "General" Tags--that is to say Tags that are wholly unspecial. (If you want to nitpick, there are also "Deprecated" Tags, which are placed beneath "Copyright" Tags and above "Metadata" Tags.) Obviously, this current system does work. However, there are other Tags of note that their presence being readily visible can make searching easier, provide valuable context to the work, or otherwise improve the site experience for users. For example, hetero, yuri, yaoi, bisexual, and trans would all be of value to those looking for art falling under these relevant categories. But a tag dedicated solely to orientation and gender would be ill-fit for a site where... let's be perfectly honest, the majority of users only care about LGBT if it is in reference to a Lettuce, Guacamole, Bacon, and Tomato sandwich. So the idea is a "Special" tag. This is for things that are of special value to the average user (either as things they'd reasonably be expected to WANT to look more into or as things they'd reasonably be expected to WANT to know they can blacklist) and can be quickly glanced at to help users find other art of significance without these tags being drowned out in the sea of blue/white tags (depending on Light Mode vs Dark Mode respectively). The idea would be that the Special Tag is meant to include the following: 1. Orientation Tags -- If you want straight art, having the hetero tag right there to follow can definitely be helpful. If you want yaoi/yuri art, then yaoi/yuri would be readily available. This is maybe the weakest one to argue but if you really wanted to disregard it on the basis of Orientation then you could still make an argument for it under the rationale of Subsection #6. 2. Gender Tags -- As things are, #boy, #girl, #other are all at the very top (or close to it) of the Tag List in most cases, and androgynous is really close behind. This one is not really so much about accessibility as it is about ensuring clarity. The current rules run into some edge case problems. Technically, the rules for the trans tag states that trans characters need to be "tagged with their birth gender not their current one." I'll avoid going into the issues with that phrasing because the scientific inaccuracy of suggesting that trans characters birth gender isn't the same as their current one (trans girls are girls, trans boys are boys, enbies are enbies, etc.) isn't really the point (of this request nor of that rule). But by having specifically those tags (#boy, #girl, #other, androgynous) as well as futanari (and its related Tags), trans, newhalf, cuntboy, and trap/reverse_trap under the "Special" Tag Group, it allows people quick access to know the character contexts and to find other relevant arts to what they are seeing. A lot of arts aren't properly tagged mainly because people don't even know certain tags exist or if they know the tag exists, they forget it when it comes time to tag because they haven't gotten to the point of having that tag in-mind in the same way as how they immediately think to include the Artist Tag, Character Tag, and Copyright Tag (if they are aware of who the artist/character/copyright even is of course). Genderswap (and its variants) would also fall under this sub-group's reasoning. 2.1. Additionally, trans_man and trans_woman should be included in this so even if an art is labeled "1boy, trans", there is no confusion that the "boy" in the art is a trans woman and not actually a trans man that was accidentally mislabeled (based on Gelbooru's stated stance for tagging trans characters). It would also prevent needless retag wars between people since it would keep the full information and context right there for people to easily see. Characters this could be especially valuable regarding are canonically trans characters like Bridget from Guilty Gear (regardless of a person's feelings on Bridget's transness, the fact she is trans is the canon), Hibari from Stop!! Hibari-kun (this manga--and later show--is a 1980s romantic comedy about a boy and a trans girl and her girl-ness is something that is frequently stated and stressed), Tetora from Log Horizon (crossplayer who has physically become a girl thanks to being isekaid into their character's avatar and actively identifies throughout the work as a girl), as well as Mizuki from Project Sekai (which I am aware people want to argue she isn't stated to be a trans girl BUT the canonicity of their transness is not debatable--the question isn't if they are trans but if they are a trans girl or if they are nonbinary--because the game actively makes a point that we know the mismatch between their sex and gender identity is something they have trauma over). By having a policy of tagging the gender based on sex assigned at birth, tagging trans if relevant, then tagging trans_man or trans_woman based on which is accurate, this would allow Gelbooru to have a policy that is about as neutral as you can get since it wouldn't be taking either side when it comes to transgender sociopolitics. And by having these all as a part of the "Special" Tag Group would allow people to be able to a) see that you're keeping your hands out of it (frankly unimportant imo but it does help dodge any pearl-clutching either side of the debate might argue) and b) it actually makes finding the relevant arts easier for people. 2.2. I'd also recommend adding a "gender_debated" Tag for characters such as Felix (Re:Zero), Astolfo (Fate), and Luka/Ruka (Steins;Gate) since there is no way labeling them as trans is going to go over well with the people who insist they are not trans and there is frankly way too much evidentiary support to show they are not cisgendered. So, like with how 2.1. is meant to help keep Gelbooru's hands clean when it comes to that, the "gender_debated" tag would help to serve as an olive branch to both sides and keeps Gelbooru's hands clean from having to take a side. By doing this as well, the tag actually would encourage discussion from users which, as long as said discussion remains civil, could encourage people to return to the site more as a bit of a more active community could form in the comments from the discussions. Perhaps even allowing those talking in good faith to have their perspective changed a little. (I'm not stupid enough to think someone will be convinced of the opposite position because the willingness to admit you've been wrong is an Ancient Magic lost to the modern world. But at the very least being able to see where others are coming from even while maintaining disagreement but gaining respect for their perspective.) 2.3. Explicitly limit the trap/reverse_trap tags to characters who identify with the gender associated with their assigned sex. I suspect the people here wish to at least maintain the veneer of not being openly transphobic and will say, "the word trap has nothing to do with trans people," ignoring the fact it has been blatantly used as an anti-trans slur. So, if you wish for the appearance of "not taking a side," give its page a near identical note in Gelbooru's Wiki as is found under the futanari tag, "It is not related to transgender or hermaphrodite/intersex, but is purely based on the gap between their gender presentation versus their gender identity (which matches the gender typically associated with their sex)." All this does is say the policy of using trap/reverse_trap is to use it on characters like kinoshita_hideyoshi whose name used to be used as a precursor to the term "trap" following the meaning advocates for the word "trap" claim "trap" to mean. I'd even go as far as to say Gelbooru should deprecate "trap"/"reverse_trap" and instead bring back the "hideyoshi" meme in the context of gender presentation clashing with the characters gender identity (which also matches their sex). 2.4. I'd also like to point out that newhalf and cuntboy are old-ass slurs that quite literally are equivalent to just calling the person a "tranny" and really have no place here since nobody uses those terms anyways except in derogatory ways, or in clinical discussions of the words themselves such as how I am doing here. As such, I would argue that those terms should become immediately deprecated. But I'm not going to argue that hard for it since there is at least a functional utility to not just keeping these words as tags but to also promote them into the proposed "Special" Tag Group... But yeah, from a point of ethical considerations and just the sheer optics, having these terms as tags here is comparable to having other slurs as tags. 2.5. As a slight alternative to parts of what I have said... "trans_man", "trans_woman", and "nonbinary" are all already tags. What we could also do is deprecate "trans" and "transgender" as Tags and instead apply the correct specific term. 3. Skin Color/Race/Ethnicity Tags -- To be straight to the point, this allows for dark_skin (but not its more specific variants like dark-skinned_male and dark-skinned_female), pale_skin, tan, and the various Abnormal Skin colors like purple_skin to just be quickly there. This is more being included because including the next two (which definitely should be included) but not including this feels wrong to me. Additionally, explicit indicators of race or ethnicity already get tags anyways, so making it so people actually see those tags exist by having it in the "Special" Tag Group could be effective for ensuring better, more proactive tagging of these in the future. 4. Species Tags -- Simply put, this way demon, elf, dwarf, robot, basilisk, harpy, and other relevant species and creature tags can be seen more and therefore encouraging people to post more relevant art to these tags (and obviously also now be aware of these tags when tagging). Slime_(creature) and slime_girl are already commonly known and used. But then you run into issues like hilichurl_(genshin_impact). That's listed currently as a "Character" Tag but it isn't a character but a species of creatures. Sure, they're the Genshin Impact equivalent of goblins, but goblins are a normal tag. By at least having the specific "hilichurl_(genshin_impact)" tag and general "goblin" tag under Character and Special respectively, it allows us to be able to more readily be aware of both when we are looking at and uploading arts on Gelbooru. (Hilichurl might be a bad example since they are effectively goblins but never actually referred to as such and therefore should not receive both "hilichurl_(genshin_impact)" and "goblin" at the same time, but I am putting my trust in your intelligence to understand my point regardless.) 5. Age Tags -- The child, aged_up, aged_down, mature_female, mature_male tags are my main thoughts on this since these are kind of important for filtering. For example, most people don't want to be jacking it to hot whoever-on-whoever action only to suddenly have a child appear when they move to the next image. So, by having these age tags be visible as part of the Special section, it brings them more readily to the attention of the user so they know that they can blacklist child characters from appearing if they want. Or if someone's unaware of the mature_male and mature_female tags, this allows them to more readily see they exist so they can find more arts of DILFs/MILFs respectively or so that they can blacklist them if desired. 6. Kink/Fetish Tags -- Initially conceptualized so that arts that are loli/shota can have that Tag specifically immediately visible to indicate to people who want those, "here you go," and those who don't "Here's the tag for you to blacklist." But the same logic actually applies to quite a bit. Gore, rape, incest, impregnation (but not pregnancy in and of itself), bestiality, necrophilia, and more should be here so that people can just easily find the tags for the things they either are very much into or that they would really want to have blacklisted, without the need to search for the correct tag through the sea of blue/white. This would make it far easier for people to tailor what they are finding for themselves. The main concern with the Kink/Fetish inclusion is the fact there are so many things that could be argued since everything can be a kink/fetish if you try hard enough. So a core rule to it should be that the only tags that are allowed to be tagged "special:" with it being a kink/fetish as its reasoning should be things that are predominantly understood to be kinky/fetishistic in nature. Merely having feet visible isn't inherently fetishistic, but foot_focus is. Armpits being shown off is, however, overwhelmingly done as a matter of kink/fetish, at least within the anime-style art community. (There are exceptions of course, but to prejudge an art showcasing armpits as fetish fuel... I think that's fair, frankly.) I would argue clothing should be explicitly exempt from the "Special" Tag Group since there would be needless conflict over which clothes are kink/fetish-oriented. (If we have a "Clothing" Tag Group, possibly colored black in Light Mode and Blue in Dark Mode, this could prevent that from even being a hazard. It'd also serve a special benefit since the vast majority of users are unaware of the various clothing tags as is evidenced by how few of the available clothing tags even get used at a time on an image.) But you may be asking, "Why make a "Special" Tag group? If someone wants, they can search for a tag directly or they can check the tags of an image they liked and find it in the Ungrouped Tags." Some arts have dozens of tags. It's really easy to miss a tag you are looking for when it's surrounded by other tags that have names of around equal length. Personally, I regularly find myself having to use Ctrl+F in order to search the tags of the image for whatever word may possibly be the tag. Sure, if a tag's name is particularly long or particularly short, it sticks out as an easy find. But by having the "Special" Tag group, we ensure that Tags of special interest are readily accessible. (I'd also personally like to recommend a "Clothing" or "Fashion" Tag to help sort out clothing items from the mass of blue/white Generic Tag but I am aware that may be an even harder sell.) After all, a person who is new to the site may not even know what tags there are here and may, as a result, be unable to find certain tags they'd be interested in as easily. This would be relatively simple to add into the code and have major long-term benefits for the site. Finally, because I know this would be an INSANE pain in the ass to go through all of the relevant tags and append them to have "special:", I volunteer to take responsibility for my proposal and to do the updating of the various tags once the "Special" Tag Group has been implemented. This way, all Gelbooru's staff has to do is make it so that the tags on an image now can include a "Special" Tag. Further, I am aware that elements of this proposal (such as getting rid of "trap"/"reverse_trap" and replacing them with "hideyoshi", deprecating "trans" and "transgender" in favor of their more specific variants, and checking that existing specific versions of species are listed under "Character" while the broader species is listed under "Special") would require someone going through and mass-updating tags on images. Again, I would be willing to take responsibility for my proposal. I would even be willing to take responsibility for writing and updating relevant Gelbooru wiki pages to ensure an appropriate, sociopolitically-agnostic Standard Operating Procedure is established for the relevant tags so there is minimal (if any) conflict. (Because I guarantee there is missed ad revenue caused by people not using the site because of how casually slurs just exist as tag.) Again, by doing this, it would improve the user experience, it would ensure that Gelbooru is keeping out of needless sociopolitical fights, and it would ensure greater clarity and familiarity for the available tags so that people can more immediately know what they are looking at. By including a "Special" Tag Group, and by extension including a "Clothing" Tag Group, you would be inarguably improving the site in a way that would be disproportionately larger than the effort needed to set this up. Also, the site only has what? A few thousand Tags? Once I start updating the tagging and people see how the tag updates are being handled, others would very quickly follow suit to make the process even faster. Even doing it solo, I'd probably have the whole thing finished in a matter of days. A week at most. And that includes changing any relevant deprecated tags to the relevant new tags. In conclusion: Low effort work on Gelbooru's part would immediately turn into massive benefit to the userbase no matter who they are, what they like, or what they believe. If you accept this today or tomorrow and add the "Clothing" and "Special" Tag Groups by tomorrow night, I can probably even finish this by Wednesday night. That is how confident I am on my ability to get this done quickly. |
Jerl replied at 2025-07-28 09:41:42  |
| This is something that would need to be implemented on Danbooru first before we can implement it here. |