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B-Nuts commented at 2014-04-18 05:38:31 » #1521145
Nah, this is easy: Jack has powerful Frost Blasts, but that's pretty much it. Elsa's Ice Magic is much more powerful, allowing her to build constructs and animate Snow Monsters (and Olaf). Jack's strength is also based on others' belief in him. Elsa's is based in her confidence in herself and her ability to control her powers. But even when out of control she could probably freeze Jack solid, so he cannot move. Finally, Jack needs his staff to use his magic. Elsa casts bare-handed. She's also 'unbothered' by cold.
It's frost vs ice. Elsa wins.
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Nah, this is easy: Jack has powerful Frost Blasts, but that's pretty much it. Elsa's Ice Magic is much more powerful, allowing her to build constructs and animate Snow Monsters (and Olaf). Jack's strength is also based on others' belief in him. Elsa's is based in her confidence in herself and her ability to control her powers. But even when out of control she could probably freeze Jack solid, so he cannot move. Finally, Jack needs his staff to use his magic. Elsa casts bare-handed. She's also 'unbothered' by cold.
It's frost vs ice. Elsa wins.
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Anonymous commented at 2014-12-04 17:25:23 » #1646513
>B-Nuts
Ok, its clear you didn't watch Rise of the Guardians or at least didn't pay much attention to it. You made SEVERAL mistakes regarding Jack, and the overall stance in comparition of their powers. You're underrating Jack tremendously. Let me just make a few corrections to what you said:
1) Jack doesn't have "just powerful frost blasts", which btw, are much more offensive-oriented than Elsa's magic. Lets be clear on one tiny little detail you hapily ignored:
Jack IS the goddamn winter.
He's not an ice-magic user like Elsa. He IS ice magic. He's the personification of ice, cold, snow, etc. You know, everything Elsa's powers depend on. Just because he's a prankster who enjoys having fun more than being violent, it doesn't mean we downplay him compared to other ice users. Doing that is just stupid if you know who (or what) he is.
In fact, Jack is technically the SOURCE of Elsa's powers, since he is the living personification of eveything her powers create and control.
Also, he can fly and he's immortal.
Nice try ignoring that.
2) Like all guardians, Jack's pesence depends on people's belief in him, but that's not a point in anyone's favour. That's the same as a doubtful Elsa who goes back to that becuase of other people's actions. Elsa can't affect people's worlwide belief on Jack, so that's not an argument at all. Interestingly, Jack on the other hand, can dramatically lower Elsa's confidence by using his ABSOLUTE domain over all things winter/cold, to make her powers fail again and again.
3) Freeze Jack solid? Ok, if you were showing your complete lack of info on Jack before, you're confirming it now. "Freezing Jack solid" Wow. What's next? Setting the sun on fire? Because if you actually knew who Jack is supposed to be, you'd know that doing that would actually be easier than "freezing" Jack.
4) Jack doesn't need his staff to cast his magic. If you actually watched the full movie you'd know that. He originally THOUGHT he needed it, but during the movie he discovers he doesn't. It was always his own power and its inside him. The staff is just a conduit to make it look cooler. No pun intended.
5) I can't believe you're using the "unbothered by cold" in favor of Elsa.
Again, proving you don't know anything about Jack. Jack IS the cold. Nothing even remotely related to winter can affect him. In fact, it all bends to his will. Elsa is a human who can create and control ice, snow, etc. Her magic also makes her resistant to low temperatures, but that doesn't mean she's immunse to everything about it like Jack. For example, if she gets hit by a sharp icicle, she'll be wounded like any other person. She's just resistant to the cold's TEMPERATURE. Everything else, she's just as vulnerable as any human. Jack is not.
Elsa can't do anything to Jack because her powers all come from HIM.
He is the winter. He is the ice, He is the snow.
And none of that does anything to him. He can even easily wrest control of her creations from her, since winter and cold are his domain.
Jack doesn't need to go for freezing. All Jack has to do is throw ice spears, swords, arrows, etc until something pierces her and she dies like any other mortal. Or generate strong winter currents that sweep her off her feet and throw her against the walls or even a cliff. All the while ignoring everything Elsa throws at him since he's 100% immune to cold, and take control and redirect anything Elsa creates, can fly whenever he wants, and is also immortal.
Its not frost VS ice. Educate yourself.
Its the IMMORTAL personification of winter with absolute control over all aspects of cold VS a mortal girl who can create and control ice.
There's no contest at all. Jack wins without even trying.
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>B-Nuts
Ok, its clear you didn't watch Rise of the Guardians or at least didn't pay much attention to it. You made SEVERAL mistakes regarding Jack, and the overall stance in comparition of their powers. You're underrating Jack tremendously. Let me just make a few corrections to what you said:
1) Jack doesn't have "just powerful frost blasts", which btw, are much more offensive-oriented than Elsa's magic. Lets be clear on one tiny little detail you hapily ignored:
Jack IS the goddamn winter.
He's not an ice-magic user like Elsa. He IS ice magic. He's the personification of ice, cold, snow, etc. You know, everything Elsa's powers depend on. Just because he's a prankster who enjoys having fun more than being violent, it doesn't mean we downplay him compared to other ice users. Doing that is just stupid if you know who (or what) he is.
In fact, Jack is technically the SOURCE of Elsa's powers, since he is the living personification of eveything her powers create and control.
Also, he can fly and he's immortal.
Nice try ignoring that.
2) Like all guardians, Jack's pesence depends on people's belief in him, but that's not a point in anyone's favour. That's the same as a doubtful Elsa who goes back to that becuase of other people's actions. Elsa can't affect people's worlwide belief on Jack, so that's not an argument at all. Interestingly, Jack on the other hand, can dramatically lower Elsa's confidence by using his ABSOLUTE domain over all things winter/cold, to make her powers fail again and again.
3) Freeze Jack solid? Ok, if you were showing your complete lack of info on Jack before, you're confirming it now. "Freezing Jack solid" Wow. What's next? Setting the sun on fire? Because if you actually knew who Jack is supposed to be, you'd know that doing that would actually be easier than "freezing" Jack.
4) Jack doesn't need his staff to cast his magic. If you actually watched the full movie you'd know that. He originally THOUGHT he needed it, but during the movie he discovers he doesn't. It was always his own power and its inside him. The staff is just a conduit to make it look cooler. No pun intended.
5) I can't believe you're using the "unbothered by cold" in favor of Elsa.
Again, proving you don't know anything about Jack. Jack IS the cold. Nothing even remotely related to winter can affect him. In fact, it all bends to his will. Elsa is a human who can create and control ice, snow, etc. Her magic also makes her resistant to low temperatures, but that doesn't mean she's immunse to everything about it like Jack. For example, if she gets hit by a sharp icicle, she'll be wounded like any other person. She's just resistant to the cold's TEMPERATURE. Everything else, she's just as vulnerable as any human. Jack is not.
Elsa can't do anything to Jack because her powers all come from HIM.
He is the winter. He is the ice, He is the snow.
And none of that does anything to him. He can even easily wrest control of her creations from her, since winter and cold are his domain.
Jack doesn't need to go for freezing. All Jack has to do is throw ice spears, swords, arrows, etc until something pierces her and she dies like any other mortal. Or generate strong winter currents that sweep her off her feet and throw her against the walls or even a cliff. All the while ignoring everything Elsa throws at him since he's 100% immune to cold, and take control and redirect anything Elsa creates, can fly whenever he wants, and is also immortal.
Its not frost VS ice. Educate yourself.
Its the IMMORTAL personification of winter with absolute control over all aspects of cold VS a mortal girl who can create and control ice.
There's no contest at all. Jack wins without even trying.
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Anonymous commented at 2014-12-04 17:54:09 » #1646536
^lol You clearly don't know what a troll is.
Anyways, I just stated things are they are. A troll only seeks to make people mad for amusement. I don't care if what I said made you butthurt. Its all based on facts.
If you disagree, feel free to argue.
If you can't, that's your problem. But you have to be rally dense to think that everyone who disagrees with you is a troll. That's the tpical immature response of little kids who don't know how to argue against those who disagree with them.
Carry on with being a butthurt hater.
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^lol You clearly don't know what a troll is.
Anyways, I just stated things are they are. A troll only seeks to make people mad for amusement. I don't care if what I said made you butthurt. Its all based on facts.
If you disagree, feel free to argue.
If you can't, that's your problem. But you have to be rally dense to think that everyone who disagrees with you is a troll. That's the tpical immature response of little kids who don't know how to argue against those who disagree with them.
Carry on with being a butthurt hater.
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Anonymous commented at 2014-12-04 18:08:39 » #1646543
So now you're reposting your own comments over and over...
Wow.
In a pic about one character VS another, for you, people who give arguments in favor of the character you don't like, is a troll.
Can't believe people could get that butthurt to the point of blindly throwing the word troll and resposting the same comments.
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So now you're reposting your own comments over and over...
Wow.
In a pic about one character VS another, for you, people who give arguments in favor of the character you don't like, is a troll.
Can't believe people could get that butthurt to the point of blindly throwing the word troll and resposting the same comments.
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