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BoomWinning commented at 2011-05-03 18:36:40 » #718978
Hmm, I actually like this picture. I'm not a big fan of Sasuke, and it seems unlikely he'll actually end up with any of these women, but like 3/4 of the people have pointed out, it's just fanart. Hell, look up any of the other Naruto pics here, and you'll realize people aren't supposed to take this seriously.
That being said, I don't really know why these things always turn into a NS vs. SS debate. I mean Naruto's not even in this pic, and Sakura's not even at the center.
And, please people, stop acting so annoying with you're shipping opinions. NaruSaku's never going to happen? Really? I mean, I'm not so sure about it either, but it's still pretty much the main pairing of the series. Main Hero x Main Heroine is so cliche that I can't believe people still doubt it. I don't know, maybe Kishimoto's a risk taker, and he's going to break away from these established manga pairings. But from what I've seen so far,that seems unlikely. Stop pretending he's a great writer, and just brace yourselves for another Dragonball, Inuyasha, Ranma 1/2, or Fullmetal Alchemist romantic conclusion.
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Hmm, I actually like this picture. I'm not a big fan of Sasuke, and it seems unlikely he'll actually end up with any of these women, but like 3/4 of the people have pointed out, it's just fanart. Hell, look up any of the other Naruto pics here, and you'll realize people aren't supposed to take this seriously.
That being said, I don't really know why these things always turn into a NS vs. SS debate. I mean Naruto's not even in this pic, and Sakura's not even at the center.
And, please people, stop acting so annoying with you're shipping opinions. NaruSaku's never going to happen? Really? I mean, I'm not so sure about it either, but it's still pretty much the main pairing of the series. Main Hero x Main Heroine is so cliche that I can't believe people still doubt it. I don't know, maybe Kishimoto's a risk taker, and he's going to break away from these established manga pairings. But from what I've seen so far,that seems unlikely. Stop pretending he's a great writer, and just brace yourselves for another Dragonball, Inuyasha, Ranma 1/2, or Fullmetal Alchemist romantic conclusion.
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Anonymous commented at 2011-05-03 19:09:12 » #719020
As someone sort of pointed out earlier, Sasuke's only a pimp like this in fanart, so there's no reason to get so bent out of shape over it. Tsunade and Shizune are way too close to Naruto to fuck Sasuke. They know how much pain he's caused him; hell, I can see Tsunade giving Sasuke the ole' beatdown she gave Orochimaru way back when. As for Sakura, she still cares for Sasuke as a former comrade, but her fangirl days are long gone. Any small chance SasuSaku had of happening was destroyed after that confrontation they had, with Sasuke attempting to kill her twice. I don't know if NaruSaku is going to happen, but you'd have to be insanely delusional to still think SasuSaku is going to become canon.
But back to the post in question, this is an insanely hot pic. I think Naruto would make more sense as far as the women involved go, but I guess Sasuke generally looks better in hentai. Now stop this pointless argument and enjoy the damn FANART.
Argument ended. (Probably not, but a guy can dream right?)
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As someone sort of pointed out earlier, Sasuke's only a pimp like this in fanart, so there's no reason to get so bent out of shape over it. Tsunade and Shizune are way too close to Naruto to fuck Sasuke. They know how much pain he's caused him; hell, I can see Tsunade giving Sasuke the ole' beatdown she gave Orochimaru way back when. As for Sakura, she still cares for Sasuke as a former comrade, but her fangirl days are long gone. Any small chance SasuSaku had of happening was destroyed after that confrontation they had, with Sasuke attempting to kill her twice. I don't know if NaruSaku is going to happen, but you'd have to be insanely delusional to still think SasuSaku is going to become canon.
But back to the post in question, this is an insanely hot pic. I think Naruto would make more sense as far as the women involved go, but I guess Sasuke generally looks better in hentai. Now stop this pointless argument and enjoy the damn FANART.
Argument ended. (Probably not, but a guy can dream right?)
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dzv commented at 2011-05-03 20:04:50 » #719088
You all are too "guys centric", if Sakura ends with Sasuke, it means she worked hard, with her friends to achieve victory and gain Sasuke's love. The essence of the Shounen Jump, but used for romance.
What were the three team 7 characters goal as stated on chapter 4?
Naruto = to become Hokage
Sasuke = to kill his brother and revive his clan
Sakura = to get Sasuke
How comes the girl is the only one that can't acheive her goal? Her goal is Sasuke. Her rivalry is about getting Sasuke. There's even a consolation prize for Ino when she won't get Sasuke, namely Sai.
Lee wanted to show you can be a great ninja without using ninjutsu. He can have it but Sakura can't get Sasuke?
Minato wanted to "become a great Hokage which everyone acknowledge". He can have it but Sakura can't get Sasuke?
All these goals are the very definition of the characters, why rip Sakura of her victory and make her to only one who couldn't look her younger self in the eyes?
At least, that's the kind of "positive" message there could be behind SasuSaku, which Kishi may chose in the end, but it will be just as screw up as the romance themselves. ¬_¬
As for Naruto not getting Sakura, he always miss on the first try, the second girl he'll fall in love with will be the right one. As long as he's Hokage and happy, it's doesn't matter if he get Sakura or any other girl.
Back on the characters' goal, Kushina is tricky, because she didn't achieve hers, but as she said herself it was to impress her new fellow academy students. Her real goal must have been closer to "I want happiness inspite of being a jinchuuriki, I want a normal live" which of course she couldn't say aloud.
Back to Sakura, Well the Saku/Sasu relationship has always been 1/2 necessary plot device 1/2 actual infatuation and dreadfully one-sided. Sakura needs to love Sasuke to give her a reason for being there and a reason to chase after him, otherwise she'd be reassigned to another team to utilize her medical skills. The second reason is that she really likes/loves Sasuke from the very beginning and for whatever reason that devotion hasn't been diverted even by all the actions of Naruto.
Will Sakura be rewarded and achieve her goal by the end? Partially. I think Sakura and Sasuke will be reunited, but I think both will come to understand the disillusions they both have been suffering from. Sasuke will realize the needs to make bonds with others and Sakura after she learns the truth behind the Uchiha massacre may fainlly be able to see Sasuke for what he truly is, something which was not what she's been chasing after. The problem lies with shounen romantic endings where the couple is lovey dovey in some manner. There is no way to pull that off with Saku/Sasu because they haven't had any opportunities to develop any bonds at all. This is partially due to their physical separation and partially cause Kishi sucks at romance. The best you could hope for is a new "beginning" in their relationship-starting with a clean slate. It won't be what people are rooting for but it's the most sensible outcome from where things stands right now.
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You all are too "guys centric", if Sakura ends with Sasuke, it means she worked hard, with her friends to achieve victory and gain Sasuke's love. The essence of the Shounen Jump, but used for romance.
What were the three team 7 characters goal as stated on chapter 4?
Naruto = to become Hokage
Sasuke = to kill his brother and revive his clan
Sakura = to get Sasuke
How comes the girl is the only one that can't acheive her goal? Her goal is Sasuke. Her rivalry is about getting Sasuke. There's even a consolation prize for Ino when she won't get Sasuke, namely Sai.
Lee wanted to show you can be a great ninja without using ninjutsu. He can have it but Sakura can't get Sasuke?
Minato wanted to "become a great Hokage which everyone acknowledge". He can have it but Sakura can't get Sasuke?
All these goals are the very definition of the characters, why rip Sakura of her victory and make her to only one who couldn't look her younger self in the eyes?
At least, that's the kind of "positive" message there could be behind SasuSaku, which Kishi may chose in the end, but it will be just as screw up as the romance themselves. ¬_¬
As for Naruto not getting Sakura, he always miss on the first try, the second girl he'll fall in love with will be the right one. As long as he's Hokage and happy, it's doesn't matter if he get Sakura or any other girl.
Back on the characters' goal, Kushina is tricky, because she didn't achieve hers, but as she said herself it was to impress her new fellow academy students. Her real goal must have been closer to "I want happiness inspite of being a jinchuuriki, I want a normal live" which of course she couldn't say aloud.
Back to Sakura, Well the Saku/Sasu relationship has always been 1/2 necessary plot device 1/2 actual infatuation and dreadfully one-sided. Sakura needs to love Sasuke to give her a reason for being there and a reason to chase after him, otherwise she'd be reassigned to another team to utilize her medical skills. The second reason is that she really likes/loves Sasuke from the very beginning and for whatever reason that devotion hasn't been diverted even by all the actions of Naruto.
Will Sakura be rewarded and achieve her goal by the end? Partially. I think Sakura and Sasuke will be reunited, but I think both will come to understand the disillusions they both have been suffering from. Sasuke will realize the needs to make bonds with others and Sakura after she learns the truth behind the Uchiha massacre may fainlly be able to see Sasuke for what he truly is, something which was not what she's been chasing after. The problem lies with shounen romantic endings where the couple is lovey dovey in some manner. There is no way to pull that off with Saku/Sasu because they haven't had any opportunities to develop any bonds at all. This is partially due to their physical separation and partially cause Kishi sucks at romance. The best you could hope for is a new "beginning" in their relationship-starting with a clean slate. It won't be what people are rooting for but it's the most sensible outcome from where things stands right now.
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Anonymous commented at 2011-05-03 20:59:27 » #719142
@dzv: Before I begin, let me commend you on that epic post. You've clearly been mulling it over for a while.
Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you regarding Sakura's goals. Your problem lies in that Sakura has changed A LOT since Part 1. Her initial goal of having Sasuke was rooted in nothing more than his stigma as the "cool loner" type and pure infatuation. And even if her feelings supposedly blossomed into "true love", she still acted like the same little fangirl towards him. And even after she confesses her "true feelings" towards him, how does he respond? He gives her a vague "Thank you", and knocks her out.
Now after the timeskip, Sakura's personality is much different. Hell, she flat out flirts with Naruto when he returns. All the original reasons she 'truly' fell for Sasuke, namely his painful past and isolation, she has since discovered Naruto also has. On top of that, even though she still cares for Sasuke, she has demonstrated on multiple occasions that her bond with Naruto is far important. Re-read the end of the Kage Summit Arc, and look at how she reacts to Sasuke bad-mouthing Naruto.
As far as the character goals go, I think you're being incredibly simplistic with it. Ino and Karin both love(d) Sasuke, why aren't their goals important? And again, getting Sasuke was only Part 1 fangirl Sakura's goal, she decided becoming a ninja was important to her than Sasuke's love during the Forest of Death Arc, what with her cutting her own hair. And besides, this isn't an ensemble series. It's named after the hero, and it's been stated canonically that the hero truly loves Sakura. Maybe Naruto will step aside for Sakura and Sasuke to be together, and take Hinata as a consolation prize, ignoring Kushina's advise to marry someone like his mother. But let's be honest, can you really see Naruto, the main character of a series called Naruto, taking a consolation prize in the end?
And finally, I'd like to make this point. Naruto is a shonen, not a shoujo, meaning it's generally intented for a male audience. The main character is intended to be empathized with. And besides, if the rival gets the girl in the end, then isn't the point of Naruto, working hard to get what you want, kind of pointless?
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@dzv: Before I begin, let me commend you on that epic post. You've clearly been mulling it over for a while.
Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you regarding Sakura's goals. Your problem lies in that Sakura has changed A LOT since Part 1. Her initial goal of having Sasuke was rooted in nothing more than his stigma as the "cool loner" type and pure infatuation. And even if her feelings supposedly blossomed into "true love", she still acted like the same little fangirl towards him. And even after she confesses her "true feelings" towards him, how does he respond? He gives her a vague "Thank you", and knocks her out.
Now after the timeskip, Sakura's personality is much different. Hell, she flat out flirts with Naruto when he returns. All the original reasons she 'truly' fell for Sasuke, namely his painful past and isolation, she has since discovered Naruto also has. On top of that, even though she still cares for Sasuke, she has demonstrated on multiple occasions that her bond with Naruto is far important. Re-read the end of the Kage Summit Arc, and look at how she reacts to Sasuke bad-mouthing Naruto.
As far as the character goals go, I think you're being incredibly simplistic with it. Ino and Karin both love(d) Sasuke, why aren't their goals important? And again, getting Sasuke was only Part 1 fangirl Sakura's goal, she decided becoming a ninja was important to her than Sasuke's love during the Forest of Death Arc, what with her cutting her own hair. And besides, this isn't an ensemble series. It's named after the hero, and it's been stated canonically that the hero truly loves Sakura. Maybe Naruto will step aside for Sakura and Sasuke to be together, and take Hinata as a consolation prize, ignoring Kushina's advise to marry someone like his mother. But let's be honest, can you really see Naruto, the main character of a series called Naruto, taking a consolation prize in the end?
And finally, I'd like to make this point. Naruto is a shonen, not a shoujo, meaning it's generally intented for a male audience. The main character is intended to be empathized with. And besides, if the rival gets the girl in the end, then isn't the point of Naruto, working hard to get what you want, kind of pointless?
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dzv commented at 2011-05-03 22:18:40 » #719213
1. Sakura changed, but her basis as a person and her feelings for Sasuke have not.
2. Sasuke has also changed, for the worst. But will inevitably seek out redemption for his sins. This ties to his restoring the Uchiha's name and eventually finding a mate worthy enough to bare his children whom he can trust.
4. Sakura never bad mouthed Sasuke, she never did anything that shows she prefers Naruto over him.
5. She has never flirted with him, unless your bringing up that fail confession, which is obviously fucking fake a hell and not her true self.
6. Sakura main goal was to obtain Sasuke's heart, this has been her number one consistant goal. Nothing will change that. Her Being a competant ninja is a side effect of her main goal of improving herself for Sasuke's sake.
7. Naruto not getting Sakura won't effect his main goal of being Hokage, which is more important to him than winning the girl of his dreams. If he hooks up with another girl, he'll still be equally happy since nothing will make him feel more acomplished than being Hokage.
Yeah none of which you said is true.
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1. Sakura changed, but her basis as a person and her feelings for Sasuke have not.
2. Sasuke has also changed, for the worst. But will inevitably seek out redemption for his sins. This ties to his restoring the Uchiha's name and eventually finding a mate worthy enough to bare his children whom he can trust.
4. Sakura never bad mouthed Sasuke, she never did anything that shows she prefers Naruto over him.
5. She has never flirted with him, unless your bringing up that fail confession, which is obviously fucking fake a hell and not her true self.
6. Sakura main goal was to obtain Sasuke's heart, this has been her number one consistant goal. Nothing will change that. Her Being a competant ninja is a side effect of her main goal of improving herself for Sasuke's sake.
7. Naruto not getting Sakura won't effect his main goal of being Hokage, which is more important to him than winning the girl of his dreams. If he hooks up with another girl, he'll still be equally happy since nothing will make him feel more acomplished than being Hokage.
Yeah none of which you said is true.
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BoomWinning commented at 2011-05-03 22:23:04 » #719215
The anon above said most of it, but I think I'll throw in my two cents just for the hell of it.
@dzv: I understand if you liked the SS pairing in Part 1, but your assessment is incredibly flawed. Like the above poster said, Sakura's main goal changed during her fight with Sound Ninja in the Forest of Death. Obviously she didn't stop loving him, but it definitely stopped being her primary goal. And if you're using Part 1 Sakura as a reason to back up SS, then SasuIno and SasuKarin seem just as likely to become canon. Besides, what 12-13 year old girl knows what type of guy she really wants anyway?
Again, like the person above stated, Sakura made a dramatic change in Part 2. She now openly shows affection towards Naruto (first conversation in Part 2, Tenchi Bridge scene, ramen-feeding scene, Post-Pain Invasion hug, etc.) On top of that, she becomes visibly upset when anyone bad mouths Naruto. She even yells at Sasuke in the scene where he calls Naruto "an outsider".
What you have to realize is that, regardless of whether or not NaruSaku is going to happen, Sakura was bound to have to confront her own feelings for Sasuke at some point. That's essentially what their confrontation in the Kage Summit Arc was for. Sakura tries to kill Sasuke, but hesitates as she envisions the remnants of what was once a deep love. And how does Sasuke respond? He tries to kill her, only to be thwarted by someone who truly LOVES her. If the symbolism there, with Sakura being carried away from her former love in a Superman-esque display by Naruto, doesn't convince you that SasuSaku has been resolved, then I don't know what to tell you. But the fact remains that, no matter how many ways you look at it, a SasuSaku ending isn't going to happen, regardless of whether NaruSaku does.
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The anon above said most of it, but I think I'll throw in my two cents just for the hell of it.
@dzv: I understand if you liked the SS pairing in Part 1, but your assessment is incredibly flawed. Like the above poster said, Sakura's main goal changed during her fight with Sound Ninja in the Forest of Death. Obviously she didn't stop loving him, but it definitely stopped being her primary goal. And if you're using Part 1 Sakura as a reason to back up SS, then SasuIno and SasuKarin seem just as likely to become canon. Besides, what 12-13 year old girl knows what type of guy she really wants anyway?
Again, like the person above stated, Sakura made a dramatic change in Part 2. She now openly shows affection towards Naruto (first conversation in Part 2, Tenchi Bridge scene, ramen-feeding scene, Post-Pain Invasion hug, etc.) On top of that, she becomes visibly upset when anyone bad mouths Naruto. She even yells at Sasuke in the scene where he calls Naruto "an outsider".
What you have to realize is that, regardless of whether or not NaruSaku is going to happen, Sakura was bound to have to confront her own feelings for Sasuke at some point. That's essentially what their confrontation in the Kage Summit Arc was for. Sakura tries to kill Sasuke, but hesitates as she envisions the remnants of what was once a deep love. And how does Sasuke respond? He tries to kill her, only to be thwarted by someone who truly LOVES her. If the symbolism there, with Sakura being carried away from her former love in a Superman-esque display by Naruto, doesn't convince you that SasuSaku has been resolved, then I don't know what to tell you. But the fact remains that, no matter how many ways you look at it, a SasuSaku ending isn't going to happen, regardless of whether NaruSaku does.
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dzv commented at 2011-05-03 22:35:03 » #719226
And from your perspective, you still think Sakura is over Sasuke when the author says she's not. It's a no brainer, Sakura acts highly emotional when Sasuke is involved. She shows affection towards Naruto but her love is still for Sasuke. Theres no compromise in that.
Sakura is still the same girl who made that pledge to Naruto to bring back Sasuke together, but she has left it to the both of them to figure things out.
Sasuke is the one she wants to fall in love with, but the implications of his path towards hatred make it harder and harder but she still holds true to her feelings for him when shown that she couldn't kill him and when Karin told her in her head that she loves him.
Karin gave up on him, Sakura did not. That shows her determination to find the real nice Sasuke she fell in love with back in part one.
Naruto also acknowledged this, Bridal Save or not, he knows she loves Sasuke and not him and he doesn't want her to abandon that part of herself that does that.
And I like how you've havent mentioned Hinata to, like she's not a major player in this.
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And from your perspective, you still think Sakura is over Sasuke when the author says she's not. It's a no brainer, Sakura acts highly emotional when Sasuke is involved. She shows affection towards Naruto but her love is still for Sasuke. Theres no compromise in that.
Sakura is still the same girl who made that pledge to Naruto to bring back Sasuke together, but she has left it to the both of them to figure things out.
Sasuke is the one she wants to fall in love with, but the implications of his path towards hatred make it harder and harder but she still holds true to her feelings for him when shown that she couldn't kill him and when Karin told her in her head that she loves him.
Karin gave up on him, Sakura did not. That shows her determination to find the real nice Sasuke she fell in love with back in part one.
Naruto also acknowledged this, Bridal Save or not, he knows she loves Sasuke and not him and he doesn't want her to abandon that part of herself that does that.
And I like how you've havent mentioned Hinata to, like she's not a major player in this.
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Anonymous commented at 2011-05-03 22:41:08 » #719237
@dzv: Ooh, numbered points fun!
1.) Not after that moment, but her feelings for Sasuke have definitely been diminished after the Kage Summit Confrontation scene.
2.) Probably true, though I can't see him actually finding redemption as a Leaf shinobi, while it's been strongly implied that Sakura will take over Tsunade's mantle someday. On top of that, the Uchiha clan has been referred to as the "cursed" clan on several occasions, and Sasuke himself declared he would revive the clan through the death of Konoha. So yeah, a good ending for Sasuke with Sakura is not likely.
3.) Forgot how to count, did you? LOL.
4.) Sakura didn't badmouth Sasuke, but she did get upset when Sasuke badmouthed Naruto. On top of that, when Naruto and Sasuke prepared to clash, who's name did she yell? Hmm? Go ahead, look it up.
5.) Maybe not flirting in the same way she flirted with Sasuke, but asking him if she looks more womanly while blushing, offering to feed Naruto, and that bonerific hug she gave him after beating Pain (and don't try to play that off as a friend hug, if a female friend hugged me that way, I might take it the wrong way, lol) all definately qualify as flirting. As far as the confession goes, it's never been established whether or not it was fake. She was obviously lying about being over Sasuke, but her anger at Naruto's reaction was definitely her "true self". Go back and read that scene again.
6.) Debatable. That statement kind of ties in with Number 1, so I'll let you reread that one.
7.) Naruto's goal is obviously being Hokage, but he definitely won't be equally happy with another girl. He'll be happy to see his friends back, but deep down, his love for Sakura will always remain. The POAL and his conversation with Sai proved his feelings for Sakura is not just a crush, it's true love.
"Yeah none of which you said is true" --> Really? Someone disagrees with you and that's your response? I'm starting to think I'm arguing with 10 year old.
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@dzv: Ooh, numbered points fun!
1.) Not after that moment, but her feelings for Sasuke have definitely been diminished after the Kage Summit Confrontation scene.
2.) Probably true, though I can't see him actually finding redemption as a Leaf shinobi, while it's been strongly implied that Sakura will take over Tsunade's mantle someday. On top of that, the Uchiha clan has been referred to as the "cursed" clan on several occasions, and Sasuke himself declared he would revive the clan through the death of Konoha. So yeah, a good ending for Sasuke with Sakura is not likely.
3.) Forgot how to count, did you? LOL.
4.) Sakura didn't badmouth Sasuke, but she did get upset when Sasuke badmouthed Naruto. On top of that, when Naruto and Sasuke prepared to clash, who's name did she yell? Hmm? Go ahead, look it up.
5.) Maybe not flirting in the same way she flirted with Sasuke, but asking him if she looks more womanly while blushing, offering to feed Naruto, and that bonerific hug she gave him after beating Pain (and don't try to play that off as a friend hug, if a female friend hugged me that way, I might take it the wrong way, lol) all definately qualify as flirting. As far as the confession goes, it's never been established whether or not it was fake. She was obviously lying about being over Sasuke, but her anger at Naruto's reaction was definitely her "true self". Go back and read that scene again.
6.) Debatable. That statement kind of ties in with Number 1, so I'll let you reread that one.
7.) Naruto's goal is obviously being Hokage, but he definitely won't be equally happy with another girl. He'll be happy to see his friends back, but deep down, his love for Sakura will always remain. The POAL and his conversation with Sai proved his feelings for Sakura is not just a crush, it's true love.
"Yeah none of which you said is true" --> Really? Someone disagrees with you and that's your response? I'm starting to think I'm arguing with 10 year old.
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